Gun Rights for Convicted Felons?

Published by the LearnAboutGuns.com Author on July 28, 2008 at 12:38 am
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The Gun Control Act of 1968, a US Federal statute, prohibits convicted felons from possessing firearms.  In the wake of the D.C. v. Heller Supreme Court decision, several lawsuits have been filed by convicted felons, seeking to regain their right to keep and bear arms for self defense and sporting purposes. Most of the people I’ve discussed this with are of the opinion that convicted felons should not be allowed to own guns.  I, however, have reached the conclusion that such blanket prohibition on gun ownership by felons is not reasonable.  Allow me to explain why:

All felons were not convicted of a violent crime, so a gun ban for all felons prevents many non-violent people from lawfully having a gun for self defense
Tax evasion, bribery, computer-related crimes, smuggling of art, and a great many other non-violent crimes can be felonies. These crimes are certainly serious, but a person who commits tax evasion, be it income taxes or otherwise, generally does not pose a risk insofar as armed violence is concerned.  In fact, many of these “white collar” felonies are committed by wealthier people who, statistically speaking, are less likely to commit violent crimes than the average citizen.  That means that banning convicted felons from possessing guns will prevent a lot of non-violent people from owning guns for self defense, which is why a great many people want a gun in the first place.  Furthermore, those convicted felons who are inclined to commit a crime and want a gun will get one, regardless of the law.

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Many violent crimes are not felonies, so a gun ban for all felons does not prevent many violent people from lawfully having a gun.
Simple battery, assault, and a variety of other violent crimes are only misdemeanors.  That means that a person can commit a rather violent crime, and often plea bargain it down to a misdemeanor.  Such a person is then able to own a gun.  Note that I am not arguing in favor of taking guns away from such people.  Instead, I am saying that if the supposed goal of the federal law is to keep violent criminals from having guns, then that supposed purpose is not served, since those convicted of violent misdemeanors can still possess guns.

Note: I am in no way condoning the commission of felonies.  Instead, I am saying that before a person is stripped of the right to defend themselves with a firearm, there should be a very good reason; and non-violent crimes don’t seem to be a sufficient reason.  Remember, the supposed goal of The Gun Control Act of 1968 is to keep those who will commit violent crimes from having a gun, not to re-punish a convicted felon who has already been punished and released from jail.  Given that fact, the question becomes whether banning all felons from ever having a gun again is reasonably related to preventing crime – and I’m compelled to answer that question in the negative.

Note 2: A lively discussion has taken place in the comments below this article.  As an Attorney, I would like to reiterate that nothing I write on this website constitutes legal advice, no attorney-client relationship is formed between readers of this website and myself, and readers are cautioned not to heed “legal advice” offered online by non-lawyers.  Those who are seeking an attorney to attempt a gun rights restoration in Illinois or Iowa can see this page of my law firm’s website.

Note 3: An update to this article can be seen here: Gun Rights for Convicted Felons? – Part 2

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  • Nick

    I plead guilty to a violation of the clean air act in 1995 and now beings all clean air acts are felonies. I was told I could ask the ATF to review my case and that should be enough to get my firearms rights back. HAHA they don't do that anymore. I have never been in any trouble till then and now can't believe this has taken all my rights away. Does anyone have any ideas short of a pres. pardon?

    Thanks

    • mjames702

      who knows how to build a website for us? a place we can meet and come in numbers to fight back.

  • http://na michael

    I excepted a felony becouse my lawyer told me not to go to court I said are you sure she said yes she didn’ fufill any thing so I got a class e felony failure to appear the only one I ever had I know I could get a gun illegaly but dont want to at an early age I took a hunter safety course and no how to handle a fire arm of any kind and respect them I’d like to hunt again for food I cant even do that now just a rifle is all I want, heck with pistels.I’m not a bad guy I just got there a little late I wouldn’t kill any one they’d kill me first it would be of some comfort if when they did if ever at least I might send them to the hospital and athoritys might catch them and avoid them from doing the same to another but as it stands I cant I dont want to have one illegaly I want it in my name and to be as safe as humanly possible my fines are all most fully paid I’ve not got into any more trouble since and hope to never again they should restor my abilitys to have one up on completion of my responsabilitys shouldnt even felons at least in lesser felonys have some thing to look forward to it seems at least then weapons would be trackable instead on under the table buys of illegal weapons I have abided by the rules I excepted under plea agreement their for paid for crimes they said but when the last dime is paid and I’ve not got into any more trouble and they dont allow me back my rights for my family I will have no choice but to buy one any way and chances are I will be as responsable as any one ever was with one and and no one will ever hear a peep out of me my only hope is that they will do the right thing and restore my rights to live and protect not only my own but every one or any one in the united states of our beloved america and its allies and pass it down to my desendance if they are qualified along with the respect thoughtfullness they require and should at some point the law ask or have a problem with it which I’m certain they’ed never even know they would find it secure unloaded with triger locks and seperated shells the bigest worry I have is that I know their are many many whomm never had a felony in their life that dont even do that and usualy are the ones that every one should worry about the jeffery domer type I just want to live like most others I under stand that some dont deserve to have gun but I am deffineatly not one of those.

  • http://Mandaharvey58@yahoo.com Amanda

    I was convicted of 2 felony drug charges ( possession, not sales) at 22 years old. I am the daughter of a retired decorated NY police officer and Navy vet. My Dad ( also an avid NRA member ) now owns a gun dealership in Palatka, Fl. He desperately wants me to take part in the family busines, as do I. I also want to own a handgun for protection. I served my time but continue to pay for my sins. I am a pretty 28 year old woman in a crazy world. My little sister has a gun, as she should. If the law prevents me from protecting myself, who will? Can anyone help?

  • http://yahoo.com john cook

    the goverment took some of our rights away..the right to have a gun is one of them…makes no sense to me. a person convicted of d.w.i. could go buy a car and then go to a bar and get drunk then slam said car into a schoolbus/ but this person who is a d.w.i.felon will never have his right to owen a car taken away!! what if we few who wanted our rights back got togather and sued for the reinstatement of said rights? let me know if your are interested. jdavecook@yahoo.com

  • David

    My mom was convicted of forging checks years ago. She got 5 years probation and had to pay restitution. She did that. More recently they were raided for supposedly buying stolen property. Which they didn't they had receipts and everything. Well the cops had warrents to search the house for drugs and stolen property. Okay the only drugs they found were pills that were for their animals. They told the cops that those pills were pills the vet gave them. The cops didn't believe them. Took them to jail. Well, anyways they took my mom to jail because she was a felon around firearm. Cause her husband had several guns. OKay here is the odd part if she was a felon around gubs why was she allowed to purchaase a gun from a gun store today? Can anyone explain that too me? Were the cops in the wrong for the reason they arrested her and took her to jail? I welcome all responses david 2726601@yahoo.com

  • Ben Bell

    In 1983 I was convicted of a class c felony(possession of marijuana)In Texas, after you complete probation and 5 years have passed your able to register to vote. Once you have registered, you can be called for jury duty. So, in this case would one be able to say your civil rights have been restored? If so, it is then possible to purchase a gun. Texas is one of the few states to allow this. Could someone please elaborate on this

  • James A. Gibbs

    Hello when i was 16 i was involved in some breaking and enterings and i was sent to jail and served all my probation fines and served my probation time.Look i know i done wrong,and its not right what i done,,,But i honestly believe as a christian that every body deserves a second chance.I have a beautiful family with no way to protect them if anyone breaks in my home and yes i realize what i just said and it has come back to haunt me.It has been haunting me for 20 years and that is just how long since i commited that crime and i havent been in trouble since.CAN ANYONE HELP ME PLEASE AND HELP OTHERS IN THE SAME POSITION AS ME.I WILL BE WILLING TO START A: FIGHTING BACK FOR FELONS GUN RIGHTS CLUB ,,,IF SOMEONE WOULD BE INTRESTED IN HELPING ME GET THAT SET UP SO WE CAN FIGHT FOR OUR SECOND CHANCE.—— JAMES A.GIBBS,,,615-653-5608

    • Eric Blair

      I have been thinking about this issue for years I am also a convicted felon. Ex military as well. My issue is this you can now enter the military as a felon even if violent. A persons rights are never completely returned to them after their conviction but we still have to pay taxes and are considered second class citizens. My thoughts on this is no taxation without representation so their are millions of felons and we should get together and either get our rights back in full or we push to not pay taxes. all advice woulld be appreciated. Elewisblair@gmail.com

    • Rad

      Since your crime was committed as a Juvenile the felony should have been "set aside" upon completion of the courts order, you may still have a problem with the fact that the record is still public, but that can be fixed by going to the Juvenile court that convicted you and entering a petition (see the court clerk) to "Seal" your juvenile records, this way they are no longer viewable by the public…. this may not work in some jurisdictions but its worth a try, and if they will not Seal your records then you should be able to at least apply for a "set aside" to restore your rights.

      If you dont feel you can do this yourself then look around for an Attorney to help you, some are specialized in this field and will file the paperwork for you for a small fee of less than $500.

    • RODNEY SMITH

      i COMITED A CRIME WHEN I WAS 16 AND ARRESTED 2 DAYS AFTER MY 17TH. BIRTHDAY. TODAY I AM 37 MARRIED WITH 4 CHILDREN AND STILL CANT EVEN GET A SECURITY LICENSE. IF I CAN HELP LET ME KNOW HOW!!! RODNEY3612@GMAIL.COM

    • John Q Public

      Dear Mr. President and Members of Congress

      A federal or state felony conviction is forever. There is no appeal, there are no second chances and there are few if any real opportunities for a fresh start by an ex-offender.

      Thousands of young men and women have been convicted of a Federal or state Felony and have completed the punishment decreed by the court. Yet, regardless of the sentence handed down by the courts and having “paid their debt to society”; they have also being handed a hidden life sentence that was not the result of any judicial proceeding. There is currently no appeal process for this life sentence.

      Most citizens believe that when someone who made a mistake has completed the punishment decreed by the court, that person has "Paid Their Full Debt to Society" and are thus free to resume their lives as they were before. Nothing is further from the truth. Under current Federal law, someone convicted of a federal felony will suffer the collateral consequences and lifetime stigma of the conviction, regardless of the magnitude of the offense. This stigma has become a civil death sentence for many.

      • John Q Public

        In our judicial system, the magnitude of the offense determines the degree of punishment. The collateral consequences suffered upon completion of an offender's court ordered punishment is the same for all. Under federal law, the post conviction treatment of a non-violent offender is the same as that of someone who may have committed the most egregious of violent offenses. Some non-violent first offenders are only sentenced to periods of probation yet they must suffer the same post conviction consequences as someone who committed a much more serious violent crime. This is not justice.

        • John Q Public

          A first time, non-violent offender who has paid their full debt deserves a second chance, a fresh start. They deserve an opportunity to earn their lives back. These people are not “hardened criminals.” Many if not most of them are quite ordinary people who have made a bad decision. They know it, they take full responsibility for their actions and they are full of remorse for the pain that they have caused to their families and society. Many are so called “white collar” offenders who had very good jobs before they made a mistake. Even someone like Martha Stewart fits this category. However, unlike Ms. Stewart most of these people do not have a merchandizing empire to fall back on. Most will never be able to regain their previous position. They are disenfranchised in too many ways to list here.

  • James A. Gibbs

    I TRULY FEEL HOPELESS WITH NO WAY TO PROTECT MY FAMILY.IAM BEGGING PRACTICALLY FOR SOMEONE TO PLEASE HELP US FELONS THAT HAVE PROVED THAT WE DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE,,,,GOD BLESS,,,JAMES A. GIBBS,,,,,,,,jammer28nc@yahoo.com

    • UaniR

      I am in a similar boat and in the process of getting a pardon,but the can not find my records from 35 yrs. ago.anyhow,a flare gun is considered a class a emergency device,not a gun!The one I bought fires a 12ga.calibur flare.

    • Michelle Henderson

      My sons house just gort radded because they rented a room to a milatary man and he moved in with someone elses tv, laptop and other things. my son's wife had two 12 gage shot guns and ammo put up, and when the cops came she told the about the two guns, She is going to school to be a probation officer and wanted her uncle to teach her to shoot. well my son had got into trouble when he was 15 years old, him and a friend stold a jar of pennys fron a bar and had a pellet gun on them, well the police brought 5 felons against my son and his friend, so they both went to youth athorty and did there time, and probatiion. 18 years later never in trouble has a family and a job, the da wants to charge my son with a felon with a firer arm and 5 strikes. 50 years in jail is what he is looking at in california, i just hope his search warrent is over turned because it was post dated, signed for the 15th, and served on the 14th.if any one know about search warrents please let me know, his lawyer is tyring to fight it on the prohibition law that passed in the suprem court last year were anyone should be able to own a fire arm in less on active parole or probation

    • Greg G.

      I agree. But i live by this rule…. I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. I will protect my home, family, and myself by any means necessary.

    • richard

      Dear James
      i have some thing we might need to talk about if u dont mind . i was convided in 2002 of felon in possion of a firearm in the state of texas and i was to l was told after five year i would have my civil right back . now that i have moved to a different state (nebraska) there trying to charge me with the samething i got in texas . is there anything u know that might help.

      • mjames702

        in texas they say you can have a gun, just can not leave with it. only state that does that. if its nebraska your not allowed to have one.

  • James A. Gibbs

    NICK, MICHAEL,AMANDA,JOHN COOK,DAVID,BEN BELL,,, I READ EVERYONE OF YOU GUYS COMMENT AND IM TOTALLY ON YOUR SIDES LETS GET SOMETHING STARTED AND AT LEAST FIGHT BACK.AT LEAST WE CAN SAY WE ALL TRIED.WE ALL HAVE TO PULL TOGETHER.I HAVE LEFT MY EMAIL ON MY OTHER POSTED COMMENT-TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS- JAMES A. GIBBS

  • jimmy

    I believe a persons constitutional rights are absolute. A person who has served their time, for whatever reason, should have their full rights restored. If they're dangerous, they should be in prison.

    This is the problem with our government…they start qualifying 'rights' and they are not to be qualified. They are absolute. Funny that felons don't lose, oh, their 1st amendment rights.

    If such a signifcant part of our population ARE felons, and in reality they are, most are just not caught…then maybe the NEED to own guns and be able to vote because something is clearly wrong.

    Bush and Obama are admitted felons, are they not ? Both admitted cocaine use. They are unconvicted felons. Period. Both controlled weapons capable of killing MILLIONS. Both admitted these felonies while running for office so clearly the public believes that being a felon has nothing to do with whether or not that person is worthy of, oh carrying the codes to launch 1600 nuclear tipped warheads in a briefcase.

    The right to vote is ABSOLUTE. The right to free speech is ABSOLUTE. The right to bear arms is ABSOLUTE. The right to a speedy and public trial is ABSOLUTE.

    The ONLY crime our constitution makes exceptions for is TREASON. Not drug dealing, not theft, not rape, not murder, not taking the tag off of a mattress.

    The population is to be armed so that 'the people' possess enough power to overthrow a despotic government. All people.

    • Nic

      people tell me to not give up my right to guns. i wan't a gun but sure don't want 5 years. I was told black powder was legal but then I found some make them illegal to on a state level. I agree with you but I think its to late. They are full steam ahead at adding more to gun control people limits and going to ban many guns agian. I'll be suprised if anybody can legally own a gun before i go.

  • Don D.

    I went to prison in 1986 till 1992 in Arizona. I was on probation for 9 years more. The state of Arizona was sending 50,000 new felons each year to prison. I saw that Texas sends 70,000 each year.

    I don't know how many new felons there are each year, and all felons don't go to prison.

    People in Montana in the 70's were given their civil rights back including gun rights.

    Lt Col Oliver North has his back and he was involved in the Iran/Contra scandal. He is a felon, but how did he get back his gun rights and become a spokesman for the NRA? Is it because he is an elitest?

    I do think people need to get together on this because most of us felons are law abiding citizens since our conviction. We are Patriotic, many would love to be able to potect family and be able to hunt.

    The second amendment does not say just certain people have the right to bare arms shall not be infringed!

    Why am I a second class ammenity that pays taxes but can not be afforded the rights stated in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

    • clemoswhomp

      You have limited rights because you are a convicted criminal. This cannot be undone. Once you fully understand this and accept it along with all the rest of the people in your same situation there may be a possibility of modifying the law to make it more favorable to your needs. Their are more than 300 million people in this country of which most are not convicted criminals and think you have gotten your just rewards. Its these people who are also the government who have curtailed your rights. I have been a crime victim on more than one occasion, from attempted murder to robbery and I have no sympathy for your dilemma. Of course all the convicted criminals were only convicted of the the crime they were caught doing, how about all the the ones they perpetrated and were never caught doing. Accept your fate it was of your doing.

      • Brian

        your not seeing the big picture obviously.. this person was convicted of a NON – VIOLENT crime. What about the people such as myself that have made MISTAKES and done everything they were sentenced to. I guess people who have changed their lives don't get a second chance. Let's all hope you don't ever make a mistake..

      • S,D

        I guess from the way your talking here that you have never done anything at all wrong , illegal, or against any county, state or federal law. From the way iam reading your post/comment here you must have a pearly white past with no skeletons in your closet then. Am i reading your post correctly ? If that's true then you must have a seat right next to jesus christ our lord and saviour. Because he is the only person i knew of with a past that clean and clear…………and for your information ive accepted my fate, ive payed my dues, ive served my time and my wife, family, friends and supporters amd above all my dear lord have turned the other and cheek and let my past stay were it needs to ( in my past )on but its folks like your self that wont leave well enough alone and like 1to of the poster above said of we get our voters right back and the rivhts to pay taxes we should get all our rivjts reinstated not just a chosen few that benefits somebody else

      • R.S

        YOU ARE WRONG.People need to have a chance at life if they are not a career criminal.We should be able to see that some people are career minded criminals.I have a felony that was caused by others not paying me and caused me to have some bad checks.Now YOU classfied me as a hard core convict.I dont have a gun I cant have a gun and I want have a gun.I am planing to filr for a restoration of my cilil rights back.Drunks kill more than guns but there are few laws that control the sale of beer.I feel if a person has a DWI then they should not be sold beer. but like guns if a criminal wants there gun or beer they will get it.Now back to being a felon,I work,I provide for my family but it is hard at times because I and in the same boat as the career felon.I hope some day you will get some sence and understand.RS

    • JesseinAlpharetta

      Amen Brother!

      We pay taxes, we are not a second class amenity!

      Rights are not to be infringed upon!

      The imperial federal government is out of control and run by criminals. They seek to disarm us so that they can rule over and steal from us!

  • scott r

    I was convicted of 3 felonys 14 years ago possesion of pot. i sent letters to talahasee fl. multiple times. never herd back from no one. i have no violent charges.

    • JOHNNIE

      YOU NEED TO CALL BORD OF PARPONS AND PAROLE TALAHASEE

  • john patton

    I have made dumb mistakes in my life with Dwis,after time in prison i finally "got it "

    My self and family have paid a tremendous price. BUT i have paid!( in so many ways) what else does the judicial system and government want from us ? I can-not own a gun to protect my family,i can-not vote, BUTT is'nt it odd that i am still good enough "old boy" to PAY TAXES!………this just burns me up ! There is no violence on my record, i am ex Military (honorable). I try to be fair and balanced,but something is not right here !

    • Kel

      I'm there with ya brother. I have 3 DUI's myself and tried a few years ago to get a gun for self defense/home protection because my neighborhood was going downhill and I was denied. Even though I am NOT a felon, i think the classification was misdemeanor 3, i still can't own a gun because I was sentenced to 2 yrs or more in prison. I did my time, paid my fines, and i am still not able to obtain a gun. It makes me mad too. Like you say at tax time they seem to have no problem taking my money. I don't get it. I'm not violent and I personally don't even drink any longer, but yet that "stigma" is still following me around. My last conviction was over 12 yrs ago.

      • lilconfused

        I was convicted of a drug charge 29 years ago, I purchased a 9mm about 7 months ago with no problem. Then I took my concealed handgun class, I am trying to find out if I am eligible for my CHL before I send off my money. I can vote, purchased a gun, pay taxes etc… But was told by a law enforcement friend I couldnt get my CHL. Can anyone give me a heads up on this??

  • Ronnie

    It has been almost 20 years since I got my good ole felonies. Non-violent, the US GOVERNMENT says I can pay taxes, ss and do whatever else they tell me to do, but, they say I can’t own a gun. I am proud of my state laws that say I can. I was 17 when I got into trouble for being wild and stupid. Oklahoma law says I may own a rifle or a shotgun but Uncle Sam better not catch me with it. I just wonder if they really thought about that law before they put it into affect. Most violent crimes are committed by NON-CONVICTED FELONS go figure. I am a registered voter and I can hold public office and I WILL PROTECT MY FAMILY AT ANY COST NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS. Without my family I am nothing anyway.

    • angered in Arizona

      My brother is a non violent felon and was attact in his own home by his step son. My brother has stiches all over his face,all because the 18 year old boy couldnt have his party at the house. The police arressted his step son. But now the boys father wants to press charges against my brother because he pull out a gun and said "everybody get out" , keeping in mind that it was my brother against five guys. My brother should have the right to defend himself in his home.

  • http://LEARNABOUTGUNS.COM Paul

    Come on people,everybody comits a crime every now and then.I am totaly against the law that says felons can't own guns.I've had two break in's at my home and I thank GOD my wife and I was not home.I'm 47 years old now,I was 17 when I got convicted D.U.I felony.Never hurt anyone.Back in those day's thats really all there was to do in this small town.I realize I was wrong for what I did and served my time and alot of years have passed.I feel everyone should have the right to owe a gun,at least for protecting the home and famaly.Although I don't think all felons should have that right,such as violent.Depending on the severeity of they're crime.You know as well as I do,if a person wants a gun they'll get one. ALL I'm saing is "some" don't need to… If you have any ideas on how respectively good citizens such as us can get this law changed PLEASE let me know. THANK YOU

  • http://www.semperpiepizza.com adam smith

    Same boat, one non-violent felony for theft from 1994. Can't ever own a gun again. Technically that isn't true. Apparently if you've not been in trouble for a while, say 5 years or so, live an exemplary lifestyle, say that of the Pope, have numerous recommendations, you can apply to have your record expunged. But the court almost never does it. If they do and don't specify your 2nd Amendment right is still gone, you're good to go to get a gun. Check with both the BATF AND local laws before getting black powder guns or non-standard rim fire guns. The BATF allows it, but local laws might wind you up in jail for 10 years.

    I would suggest maybe a crossbow or compound bow, maybe some swords, baseball bats, maces, etc. Keep an armory of those sorts of weapons. Or just get a dog that barks a lot and have motion lights/good locks.

    The thing that bugs me more than gun rights (even if I could I wouldn't own one), is that getting a license in any career is virtually impossible. They ask you to stay out of trouble and be a productive member of society, they allow you to get higher education, then cut off your feet. It makes no sense. You will never be a doctor, a layer, a vet, a psychologist, a massage therapist, an insurance salesman, or even a taxi driver. All banned. You can apply for the license but they'll shoot you down.

    Quick story: in 2000 I got my public service license to drive a taxi. I knew what was coming and 3 months later I got a notice saying due to my record I would have to go to a hearing. I brought my father to vouch for me, I never had any sort of issue in the 3 months, nor had I had a record for anything related. The state of CT said the public's safety was better served with me not driving a taxi and revoked my license.

    Here's the funny thing: I now own a pizza place. The state was perfectly okay with that. Yet had I wanted to get a vending license, new local laws vary, but a lot of towns won't allow convicted felons a vending license. Business license for a stationary business yes, but if you want a hot dog cart, forget it. Arbitrary laws suck.

  • http://www.semperpiepizza.com adam smith

    P.S. I think it's taxation without representation, but apparently the 14th Amendment, by way of misreading it, allows for it. The most recent SCOTUS decision proved that the law as it stands is not constitutional, but they felt that the greater good is served by leaving it intact. I submit no person for any reason whilst not incarcerated or committed should ever be banned from owning a gun for any reason. Criminalize the act of using a gun in the commission of a crime and let everyone else have the right to defend their own life or that of their loved ones.

  • Ryan

    i was under the impression that convicted felons are eligebil to get there gun possesion rights back after twenty years. does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

    • Jason

      I live in illinois I tried to get my foid card They told me I was eligible in 2013 Which would be 20 years after my conviction

    • mjames702

      no you can not. we need to stick together and build up to protest against this. i was convicted of a felony for protecting myself . got shot at ,shot back, charged me with discharging a firearm haha what a joke . now im a felon. please add my email hagen.mike8@gmail.com trying to build up enough people to fight this. i constantly write the NRA.

  • Ryan

    i dont know where you live adam but where im at i drove a cab for 4yrs and i was convicted in 97 for a violent felony. the law about it says you cannot be a felon for at least five yrs.

  • MB

    Funny thing, my crimes took place over 24 years ago. I have been serving the Department of Corrections now for over 14 years. Yet, I cannot own a gun. I have an application in for a Full Pardon but I have heard nothing yet. Been over 1 year now. Bureaucracy is slow. Most of my frineds are law enforcement and corrections people. The Governmant is slanted.

  • http://yahoo vicki

    my boyfriend is a convicted felon and was just cought in the same room as a gun but it was not his. he was convicted of this felon about 7 years ago we are from kentucky so has it been long enough to get his record exsponged??

  • James A. Gibbs

    We all need to get together and unite on this thing,,,TITLE;FELONS FIGHTING BACK FOR GUN RIGHTS!!!AND then who ever wants to be in on the petition just join in here if anything,,you see were going to outweigh the scale here everybody. I agree with you all here and im in the same boat and i want my gun rights restored also.its not right i tell you,,I think everyone should get their gun rights restored if they havent been in trouble 10 years or more prior to the crime that is.except the fact that they have a record like murder or something like that ,That was involving a gun that is.And see ive read everyone of you guys passage in here which i want to call you all my frinds ok?but every passage ive read in here doesnt even involve a [unnecessary expletive deleted] HANDGUN!!!!LETS CONTINUE FIGHTING GUYS OK?TAKE CARE EVERYBODY-LETS KEEP THIS CLUB GOING IN HERE,,,KEEP THE COMMENTS ROLLING,,,james a. gibbs

    • The Patriot

      A dam good lawyer that has made the most progress with gun rights in this country told me to organize and don't try to take this on as one person. I travel throughout Afghanistan training US military however I will be home in 5 months and have a date to talk to a couple different lawyers about OUR rights being restored and the best way to approach this as a group. Its extremely important we show IN NUMBERS just how many of us are affected by this law that only affects those of us that want to do it the right way, if we were felons as they make it sound we wouldn't care about taking the proper steps to get licensed and registered. Of course I like many of you were branded with with a non violent felony 15 years ago. Like the many people who work in my field IN AFGHANISTAN I CAN NOT CARRY A GUN.. amazing how that works rockets land in some of the camps i sleep in live fire at others. Stay in touch and I will keep everyone posted as the date nears. my email is secondamendment_rights@yahoo.com
      take care james we are all AMERICANS..

    • mjames702

      lets do it what do you need?

  • James A. Gibbs

    we all need to get together(EVERYONE THAT HAS PLACED A COMMENT ON THIS PAGE) and find our own web page before they get rid of this one,,does anyone want to help me get this thing started?someone told me about a free web page under google.com.Please guys someone help me get this thing rolling,,the more comments and petitions we get we might can break some ground,,,FELONS FIGHTING BACK FOR THEIR 2nd ammendment rights!!!!!!!!its worth it my friends to fight back..

    • Eric

      have u tried an freewebs.com?

    • S,D

      Dear Sr , Sr's and Madam
      I my self am in the same club as the rest of you yrt to post and those above me iam also a non-violent felon that jas neen stripped of my 2nd amendment/ hunting rights. I to have been searching hi &low all across the web and tugging on the ears of friend in the police department, sheriffs office and also a cpl that wear the blk robs behind the big desk and also from an hour or so talking with a gentlemen from the 2nd amendment foundation. From what ive gathered if and when your ready to shut the door and spend some time on the phone with the 2nd amendment foundation and you have your printer full of paper and ink they will gladly point you in the right direction and to the right web sites tbat you need to goto and walk you thru step by step page after page of all the legal papers you will need to print off……. the reason for doing this on your personal time and computer is your going to ne saving your self ALOT of money and time in lawyer fees, becaise what tour doing is the same exact thi.g that your lawyers secretary or para legal would be doing except the money for this time stays in tour pocket not your lawyers…. NOW after the colks pn the phone (the 2nd amendment foundation ) have been thru all the diffrent web sites and printed off all the legal papers you will need NOW is where you will need to hire a lawyer to get all the papers signed and notarized so you and your lawyer can get a court date to go in front of the judge and fight to gain your 2nd amendment rights /hunting privileges reinstated ………….the paperwork your handing to the judge (the hope you got your copies ) will have all the legal documentation that the courts will need in luding 8 to 10 careictar / witnesses references from high school teachers family friends, co-workers, law enforcement that know you if your from a small town, tour preacher, EVEN from someone you may ha e done wrong by ( stole from to get the felony or got in a fight with or the girl/ guy you brome up with on valentines day with) anybody that knew you before or when you 1st got your felony and has seen you pay you dues, serve you time and pay your dues back to society THOSE ARE THE BEST ONES… it most important is to rent a safty deposit box at the bank and keep a copy of ALL paperwork in it keep a copy in you home office hunting cabin etc and this is what you really meed to remember YOU DO NOT WANT AN EXPUNGMENT your not asking for one (the from what ive been told even with jesus sitting beside you tou wont get it and it will hurt you favorabley in the end )have What tour asking for isave your 2nd amendment rights /hunting privileges reinstated or a judges/governors clemency NOT AN EXPUNGMENT OF YOUR FELONIES.. on athe state donknow….. aboutit fedaral level….if this helps any of you fine folks a.d brother/sister of the felony then that will be just awesome…………… in so many ays , ..inmo_cowboy68@yahoo.com

      • S,D

        Sorry to be so lengthy and into so much blabbering detail but thia is 1to of the main issues to get me rialed up. As the old saing goes let the punishment fit the crime…. 1 punishment does not fit all cases just like 1belt does not fit all men……. mo_cowboy68@yahoo.com corrected from above post…

    • S,D

      . How do I obtain a specific form or publication?

      Q: I want information on relief of federal firearm disability? (I am a felon but want to own a firearm, how do I get my privilege restored?)

      Persons convicted of a state offense may contact the office of the attorney general in the state where their conviction occurred, or the state’s Department of Justice, for information concerning restoration alternatives that may be available. (For example, the state may have a procedure for a gubernatorial pardon, a set-aside or expunction of the conviction, or a restoration of firearm rights.)

      Persons convicted of a federal offense may elect to apply for a presidential pardon. Information on applying for a presidential pardon may be obtained at: U.S. Department of Justice The Pardon Attorney’s Office 1425 New York Avenue, NW, Suite 11000 Washington, DC 20530 USA Voice (202) 616-6070

  • karey landry

    I understand how each and everyone one of you feel about protecting your family. i my

    self is a convicted felons from years pass now that i'm older with a family i have no protection to defene my family.out here in texas they rape and rob people all day long and honestly i'm scraed for my family i guess the goverment want felons to elect them into offices and once there concock law against felons to keep you from protecting ones family

    • b lewis

      Karey Texas law permits a convicted felon to own a firearm at their place of residence 5 years after completing their sentence. You won't be able to carry one or get a concealed carry license but still may own one at home. I'm not a convicted felon and I myself agree that the current law is somewhat counter productive. It is stupid that a felon convicted of a non violent offense such as drugs or forgery is lumped in with one who committed rape or murder. The law is good in some ways because it can help prosecutors put dangerous criminals back behind bars. E.g. a felon wants to rob a bank. Let's say they get pulled over beforehand and a search yields a gun or ammo. That would send them back to jail. But honestly I think all felons deserve the right to bear arms. I'd rather have a felon even a violent one purchase a gun legally and have them register it with law enforcement so we can easily trace it back to them in the event that they commit another crime. I think there should be a felon gun registry kind of like they have a sex offender registry.

  • James A. Gibbs

    i totally agree karey we need more petitioners to fight harder thats what its going to take

  • James A. Gibbs

    PLEASE SOMEONE HELP ME AND PLEASE TELL ME HOW I CAN PROTECT MY FAMILY IF I CAN'T OWN A FIREARM?I HAVE TO GO TO BED AT NIGHT AND WORRY ABOUT THAT.LIKE I'VE SAID IVE DONE MY TIME,PAID MY TIME ON PROBATION,PAID MY RESTITUTION FINES AND HAVE NOT BEEN IN TROUBLE FOR 19 YEARS GOING ON 20.IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY KIND OF SENSE,IT IS TIME FOR ALL OF US TO FIGHT BACK.WHO DO WE NEED TO CONTACT?WHO WILL LISTEN TO US?WHO ARE THEM BASTARDS TO SAY WHAT WE CAN AND CANNOT HAVE??????????????????SOMEBODY PLEASE CONTACT ME AND GIVE ME SOME IDEAS WHAT WE CAN DO TO GET OUR 2ND AMMENDMENT RIGHTS BACK———–615-653-5608

    • ryno

      Dude just pack some heat. It ain't worth losing your life or your familys life because of some two faced politicians that have trampled on the Constitution. YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO BE ARMED. "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" If you are ever attacted and live in a gun friendly state no jury will put you in jail. Even the libs would have a hard time.

  • Chris

    Has anyone found anything to restore rights.. I'm in the same boat.

  • James A. Gibbs

    still looking chris!how do you think we can do it?any ideas?how can we make them understand we deserve a second chance to prove to whoever? its like they put us as a felon and now were dangerous and crazy and now theyve forgot about us and they dont want to listen to us because were not worthy or perfect like they are,well their is one worthy and perfect person that is jesus christ so furthermore hes the only one to judge us for our rights to own a gun right?you know,,,they could at least give us a chance,and if we mess that up then fine ok, (THEN) take my gun rights away for good you know?they just dont know how much they are taring us apart ,,,stripping our pride from us,,,taking an american tradition from us,,,write back brother im listening,,,,,,,,,,,,,,james a. gibbs

    • JaMyia

      Its gonna take a lot people to come together and protest. Maybe a march in front of the white house.

      • jim

        Maybe that is part of the solution.

  • Chris

    I have no idea how to go about it.. I'm going to try the governor pardon but that take years and lots of money.

    Id would be nice if they had a test we could take..To prove ourselves.

    • mjames702

      yeah for me 15k. lots of money, yes

  • James A. Gibbs

    yeah it would chris.what kind of trouble did you get in?I just dont understand how they think they can take our rights away forever,,,for a little while yeah thats ok,,,but im talking about two [unnecessary expletive deleted] decades on my situation you know?man it just sucks and im not giving up,,,keep in touch my friend and thank you for the reply back,,,,james a. gibbs

  • Mike

    I was convicted of a class D federal felony in 2003 for "MAILING OBSCENE MATTER". In English, that means I mailed a porno video through the U.S. Mail. Not kiddie porn, just adult, non-violent, consensual porn. I had no prior criminal record, and for merely mailing an adult porn tape to another adult, I can never own a firearm for the rest of my entire life.

    Has anyone here ever considered that the federal government has a rational motive for doing this? I believe that the government is deliberately watering down the definition of a "felon" by inventing all sorts of so-called, "crimes" to felonize America. That pesky 2nd Amendment won't go away, so why not gradually disqualify more and more Americans from invoking their 2nd Amendment rights? It's pure, evil genius!

  • James A. Gibbs

    someone told me guys that people in my hometown of north carolina several of my friends that i grew up with,(which are felons) has got them removed somehow.something isnt right about that,and their felonies is only about 3or 4 years old.now mine is about 20 years old if they dont do anything to help me and they helped them im going to go "slap the hell off",,fair is only fair,,any comments?can someone tell me how they are doing this?i can just say their is some crooked [unnecessary expletive deleted] going on everywhere,,

  • Gary

    I was convicted of a nonviolent felony 38 years ago, I am 56 yrs. old now and was 18 yrs. old when I was convicted. I have been trying to get a presidential pardon since january of 2009, havn't got it yet, they tell me it is being processed, and it is a lengthy process. So I do have hope, just not sure how long it will take. You can go to U.S. Dept. of Justice at usdoj.gov or you can write to:

    U.S. Dept. of Justice

    Office of the Pardon Attorney

    Washington, D.C. 20530

  • James A. Gibbs

    i knew there had to be something funny about it,(lol)hell we might of as well laugh about the [unnecessary expletive deleted],because i called a criminal lawyer in my hometown yesterday and when i asked him what i have to do to go about getting a felony removed from my record ? he QUICKLY responded you cant. and what sickened me he said it a second time.i just wanted to call him every [unnecessary expletive deleted] name in the book.but, i just said what the [unnecessary expletive deleted] is the use.now im still not giving up,i thought about a governors pardon and directly target for my 2nd ammendment rights back,,,any comments?,,,,please someone contact me,,,i need help on this,,,,,james a. gibbs

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    To the commentators on this page:

    Please avoid the unnecessary use of profanity. While I'm not personally offended by profanity, I do want to keep it to a minimum on this website, so that schools and workplaces don't have an excuse to block this website. Towards that end I've redacted profanity from the comments above.

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  • Rug

    Black Powder .44 in a display case loaded W caps. Make a nice civil war collection though!

    It's a relic, and might just come in handy if it's bought & owned by wifey…..

    "Outta my cold dead hands"

  • James A. Gibbs

    to whom it may concern;sorry about the language,will not happen again ok?just get wired up a little about my 2nd ammendment right ordeal but im working on it so,everything will work out soon or later im hoping and praying,,,lol,,,,take care and GOD BLESS,,,JAMES A. GIBBS

  • James A. Gibbs

    THANK YOU GARY FOR THE COMMENT ,,I JUST NOW SEEN IT. YEAH I JUST CALLED IN A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO TO THE NORTH CAROLINA GOVERNORS OFFICE FOR AN UNCONDITIONAL PARDON SO IM PRAYING THAT WILL DO IT.WHERE ARE YOU FROM?

  • Gary

    This is directed to the question from James Gibbs, I'm from North Carolina also.

    What did they tell you at the Governors office? I didn't bother with the Governor because I figured it was a federal case so I went for the Presidential Pardon.

    The website that I posted has a lot of info. It's even got a link you can go to and see all the people that have been pardoned by past Presidents, it gives their names, where they from and the crime they committed and I figure if some of these people can receive a pardon anyone can, check it out. Good luck.

  • James A. Gibbs

    yeah gary thank you my friend, I know exactly the website your talking about.Ive applied for a unconditional pardon which is strictly for getting your 2nd ammendment rights reinstated.I hope this will do it,the man i talked to at the clemency office said it is time consuming,he said you can apply and if you get turned down,after 3years your eligible again to reapply.The number i called is 919-715-3325.What part of North Carolina are you from?Im just below the obx,,all of my family are commercial fisherman.Imet a lady from Tennessee and moved up here in 2002.What kind of felony do you have on you?,,,later,,james a. gibbs

  • James A. Gibbs

    goodmorning everybody ,,,keep them comments rolling in here,this is a good website for us felons.Fighting for our 2nd ammendment rights. thats what its all about in this chatroom and iam greatful to the individual who got this set-up going and hope it stands strong,,,,,,,,,james a. gibbs

  • Gary

    Hey James,

    I'm about 25 miles west of Charlotte.

    My felony was a firearm charge and consist of me being young & stupid and having in my possesion a cheap $12.00 shotgun with the barrel a little too short, there was nothing violent about it, just possesing it. The judge only give me a fine of $300.00 and 3 years of supervised probation which was lifted after about 18 months for good behavior, so it couldn't have been too bad. What about you?

    Gary

  • Gary

    This is directed to Ronnie and Paul who posted #14 & #15, you both state you were 17 years old when convicted, I,m not 100% sure but I have heard if you were under the age of 18 and considered a minor then there is a chance you can get the felony taken off your record.

  • James A. Gibbs

    hey gary i was 17 when i was convicted also,i was 17 when convicted and the trial date theyve got recorded when i was 18. its just some crooked mess to me this whole judicial system,Who gives them the right you know?ok just like you said gary,,young and stupid thats what i was.running with the wrong crowd and got caught with some breaking and enterings.I done my time,,paid my restitution,apologized to everyone and that was 18 or 19 years ago.And i have not been in any trouble since. I have applied for the unconditional pardon,,so maybe they will pardon me and grant me my gun rights back!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,later my friend for now- write back,,,,,,,,,,,james a. gibbs

  • James A. Gibbs

    ive run into another snag,,after all these years my attorney fees have not been paid and i always thought that it was all combined in with my probation fines and restitution fines,,no way ozay,,,the north carolina clemency office has told me now that they cannot grant my request for an unconditional pardon until my monetary conditions has been satisfactively met.Which is about $800.00 more of hidden fees 20 yrs ago,,,i need support and words of wisdom,,,lol,,,,,ur felon friend -james a. gibbs

  • James A. Gibbs

    hello where is everybody at?need more felons as bad as that may sound,,lol.To comment that is,need more fighters,,later guys,,,,,j.gibbs

  • James A. Gibbs

    ok im tired of fighting if no one else is going to fight with me,,,,,,,,,,take care everyone hope the best for all of you,,,,over and out—james g.

  • Kay

    Getting a long past non-violent, non-weapons related felony discharged (expunged) is not that difficult. It may run about a grand or so in attorney and court fees, you need a clean record for 10 years or so and some written recommendations.

    You won't know until you call your attorney.

    • richard

      I would appreciate any knowlege of the laws of New York State. I will join and support ( financially as well as legwork) anyone who can help us band together. We are only people who made a mistake!

  • James A. Gibbs

    I tried an attorney he would not even touch my past records and that has been 18 years ago,,i just simply applied for an unconditional pardon,And im having to pay past attorney fees from my felonies 18 years ago the only felonies that i have that is,and will ever have.I just want my 2nd ammendment rights back,Ive suffered long enough from this crap.———–james g.

  • James A. Gibbs

    just out of curiousity this may be a dumb question ,,,but,,,–Can a felon join the nra?

  • Gary

    Hey James it's Gary, we hadn't checked out on you yet, just trying to wait this thing out.

    If it means anything I'm a NRA member, they don't ask as far as I know. They sure do fight for your 2nd ammendment rights. I received an email the other day and it said that in 2010 you would have to list all guns that you own on your 2009 1040 tax return, be finger printed and pay $50.00 tax per gun, some kind of new law that the Obama staff is trying to slide thru under the radar. I will try to copy and paste the whole email if I can, it's about 3 pages long.

    I found a website that you may find interesting, it's N.C. firearm laws and it has some things about felons in it, it's in pdf form. Heres the website:
    http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/ncfirearmslaws.pdf

  • Gary

    Ok James here it is, Everyone Keep in mind that I personaly DID NOT STATE ANY OF THIS, it's only an email that was circulating around.

    Email Starts Here:

    Now 'all Guns' must be listed

    on your next (2010) tax return!

    As if we didn’t have enough to get upset about!

    If you have a gun, I hope it isn't registered!

    Senate Bill SB-2099 will require us to put on our 2009 1040 federal tax form all guns that you have or own. It will require fingerprints and a tax of $50 per gun.

    | This bill was introduced on Feb.. 24, 2009, by the Obama staff. BUT . . this bill will only become public knowledge 30 days after the new law becomes effective ! This is an amendment to the Internal Revenue Act o f 1986. This means that the Finance Committee has passed this without the Senate voting on it at all. Trust Obama ? ….. you must be kidding !

    |

    The full text of the IRS amendment is on the U.S. Senate homepage,U.S. Senate You can find the bill by doing a search by the bill number, SB-2099.

    | You know who to call; I strongly suggest you do. Please send a copy of this e-mail to every gun owner you know.|

    <Text of H.R.45 as Introduced in House: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 – U.S…. OpenCongress |

    Obama's Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply.

    It has begun . . . Whatever Obama's secret Master Plan is….this is just the 'tip of the iceburg!'

    Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Ac t of 2009.|

    Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the government is trying to fly it under the radar as a 'minor' IRS revision, and, as usuual, the 'political' lawmakers did not read this bill befre signing and approving it !

    To find out about this – go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

    Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm – any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

    -It is registered -You are fingerprinted -You supply a current Driver's License -You supply your Social Security # -You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing -Each update – change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 – Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail. -There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18. -They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

    If you think this is a joke – go to the website and take your pick of many opt ions to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family pas s this along.|

    This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense – chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

    This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not..

    <Search Results – THOMAS (Library of Congress) :

    <H.R.45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 – U.S. Congress – OpenCongress

    <H.R. 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)

    Please.. copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA , whether you support the Right to Bear Arms or are for gun control. We all should have the right to choose.

  • James A. Gibbs

    thanks gary,,i really do appreciate everything my friend,,at this point i just hope to be pardoned when i get all my past attorney fees paid and if then i hope that they at least review my pardon request.please keep in touch,,,,,james g.

  • James A. Gibbs

    gary do you still have that felony on you?Or did you get it expunged?give me a call if you can,,,615-653-5608,,,,have a good day buddy,I play pool in yahoo if you would like to play a game or two because we can discuss this 2nd ammendment there also,,,,,later—-james g.

  • Gary

    This is to everyone who read posting #51, the part about the email that I received on listing firearms on your next tax return is NOT TRUE, I finally got around to researching it and found it to be false. Here is the website you can go to and get the facts.

    http://www.senate.gov/ Go to the website, in the top right corner type in SB-2099 which is the bill number and click search and get the facts. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I will surely research any future emails before opening my big fat mouth again, people should not start rumors like that, it only makes things worse, and we all know things don't need to be any worse than they are now.

    Gary

  • jim

    a million man march on d.c

  • jim

    consperacy to traffic 1 key in 88 they waited 5 yrs to come and get me statue limitations was out in 94 they kept an ongoing investagion so they wouldn't have to throw the case out of fed court 5 yrs probation its been 22 yrs since i have even got a speeding ticket.honorable discharge, vietnam vet at 17 teen i was learning how to shoot a full auto m14 and later a m16, 45 auto pistol m60 machine gun a 50 cal michine gun a law rocket and they say i.cant own a gun,i'll join your group they will only listen to people in numbers

  • jim

    we need to find a lawyer thats a felon that knows the system that could file the paper work on behalf of the whole group let them know in d.c that were not all still bad guys i have a 15 year old son that wants to learn to shoot and go hunting what do i say sorry son i am a felon. whats that dad

  • James A. Gibbs

    welcome aboard JIM WE DEFIITELY NEED PEOPLE LIKE YOU,,,LET ME REPHRASE THAT BROTHER 'FAMILY LIKE YOU"GOD BLESS YOU BROTHER FOR BEING ON THE FRONT LINE FOR ME AND MANY OTHERS,,ITS BEEN 20YEARS SINCE MY CONVICTION ALSO.THEY HAVE NO RIGHT ,,,,IT IS WRONG TO STRIP A MAN FROM HIS/HER 2ND AMMENDMENT.TALK TO ME ANYTIME BROTHER IM HERE,,,,LATER FOR NOW,,,,,,,JAMES G.

  • Gary

    Hey James, and welcome Jim, good to have you in on this, the more the better.

    Yes James I do still have the felony hanging over my head, I thought maybe after 40 yrs. it would go away but back in the 90's I applied for a handgun permit to buy a target pistol and that opened up a whole new can of worms. But the lady who was over handing out permits was really nice and seemed to be on my side, she gave me phone numbers to the US Marshals Office & some other phone numbers for various federal offices to try to get help, and then she asked..get this..Are you married? and I said yes and she said just get your wife to come up here and get a permit and let her buy the gun, and that blowed me away. A convicted felon could have a gun in the home for protection then, but they have changed that law since then.

    I see that they did post that extra-long false email that I passed alone, I sure am sorry about that…..Later,Gary

  • James A. Gibbs

    dont sweat it gary,,we will all get through this mess.i'm just waiting till the end of this month and send my money in and pay the attorney fees,,,then maybe it will be satisfactorily met for the standard that they are looking for,but knowing my luck something will not make them happy and they will require something else,then something else again until it will be brought out to a long drawn -out process,,,but im hoping and praying that everything will go smoothly to where they will just give me that chance where they will just review my pardon,,,just hang in there good buddies have faith in JESUS CHRIST and we need to believe that he will provide the way for us to defeat this thing,,,,,,later james g.

  • c

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2153/show http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1529/show
    Guy's we need to spread our voices not in the future but asap. It is unconstitutional to bar us fellow citizens from our inalienable right -2A

  • c

    http://www.idiotlaws.com/6-dildo-limit/
    that is lame I wonder how many females are going to be come felon's :)

  • James A. Gibbs

    in reference to comment 62,,what does that mean?What they are not even supposed to be keeping felons from their 2nd ammendment?please contact me back, or us back rather, we all want to know,,thank you for your support and caring,,,,have you got a felony on you to?james g.

  • c

    bill 2153: allows the state to determine whether an individual is allow to transport, possess and to carry a firearm by the discretion of the state opposed to the feds. In other words, if the bill were to be passed, it is going to amend the federal statue (anyone who has a federal conviction is bar to bare arms for life) to give the jurisdiction of the state to make the ultimate decision base upon case by case. Furthermore, THE FEDS DOES NOT PROSECUTE ANYONE IF THE STATE SAY ITS OK For the ex-offender to possess a firearm even if the subject had a federal felony on his/her record.

  • jim

    Hey Guys on #62 that would be great, i want to go to the sheriff's citizen academy to be a volunteer and i can't with my record i need that secund chance

  • c

    we shall try and dig up every legitimate story in regards to ex-offenders who were slain because they did not have a way to protect themselves from becoming the victim instead.

    Here are two examples in which I was able to dig up. The more stories that were able to find the more likely we could convey that humans are still human despite their previous mistakes because "We all make mistakes because were "HUMANS BEINGS" especially NO ONE IS PERFECT. Hopefully, this is going to put some pressure on the VOP( The association who had request the ATF to stop funding the federal firearm restoration program)however, we are unable to do this without our voice being heard and united we stand (even as ex-offenders) since were still fellow CITIZENS OF THE US.
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/10/http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/jerseycity/index….

  • c

    ya'll be able find the data of state felons compared to federal?

    It makes no sense to reinstate the gun rights of state felons when their far more dangerous and violent to society. Why is it that someone with a federal conviction be prohibited for life yet, state allows restoration of gun rights.

  • c

    DA: 95% of gun related crimes committed with illegal guns
    http://www.populistamerica.com/da__95__of_gun_rel

    Does that not resemble something about the ban on felons to purchase legitimate firearms does absolutely nothing hence, why is it still enforced?

    if someone is up to no good, they will and will get a firearm by any means so the ban is only going to do more harm than good for fellow Americans including x-offenders. They will not take the time to fill out the form 4473 and will definitely not follow the laws and regulations per NFA Act

  • James A. Gibbs

    okay where do we and how do we spread our voices?we keep saying that in this chatroom but,,how do we go about getting the right people in here to look at us voicing our oppinions anyway?how are we going to scream out at congress to stop them at a halt ,just for a split second to review our oppinions,,,just tell me how we can just start spreading our voices out somewhere where we can be heard? Iagree we need to get all the felons you people know anywhere to come in here and voice their opinions and then we can go from there to the next step to make this site bigger and bigger,,,, —-james g.

  • James A. Gibbs

    Iam just waiting anyway to see what my unconditional pardon is going to do then,I can go from there.So it is all up to Raliegh,N.C.for my situation.I dont know where half of you people are from in this chatroom.Different states has different laws .But you all are considered as my friends in here and i hope the very best for each and every one of you guys getting your 2nd ammendment rights reinstated.

  • James A. Gibbs

    ?????????????????????every body just gave up?

  • James A. Gibbs

    ok guess i will go else where to find support,,,,take care guys,,,,,,,,,,,,james g.

  • Varg

    Guys, we CAN do something about this.

    I am a trained social researcher, a legal researcher by occupation and assistant to an attorney. In addition, I am a community organizer active in the push back against big government and the erosion of our Constitution and civil liberties. I am also a felon.

    I was convicted of assault 15 years ago when I defended myself against the same attacker twice. The first time, I called the cops and filed a report. The second time, he came back with two accomplices. I critically wounded him, and was subsequently convicted despite his confession of premeditation in court. My attorney made deals rather than defend me.

    Ten years ago, I petitioned the court, pursuant to O.R.C. 2923.14 for Relief of Disability and was granted that motion. The State of Ohio gave me the right to "…own and possess firearms as allowed by State and Federal law." However, the Feds have refused to release my disability at the federal level.

    Because Ohio's Relief includes the words "this does not include the right to own dangerous ordnance", the federal U.S.C. 922 "unless" clause is activated. Basically, they say since the State thinks I am not safe to own dangerous ordnance, then they feel I can not own anything.

    One problem with this is that anyone who wants to own "dangerous ordnance" must apply to the FEDS with a Class 3 Form 4. The State does not have the power to grant such a permission. Yet the feds are denying me based on the State's failure to grant me such a permission.

    Now, I am filing a suit against the feds for declatory judgement, and multiple arguments against the Constitutionality of federal intrusion into State gun jurisdiction.

    I say that it is TIME THAT WE ORGANIZED. This has gone too far, and we do not deserve to be disenfranchised for LIFE. Many of us have proven ourselves over and over, just to be second class citizens for life and kicked like dogs by the government.

    I am calling for us to get ACTIVE and pull together. There are so many of us, I know we can make something happen. I am putting together a plan based on national cohesiveness and regional activism. Everyone who is interested please email me at theadvocate35@yahoo.com

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    im with ya bro,,,every1 listen to this man and join up with him ,,,its people like him we have been waiting for to help us.you got my number and email im in here everyday we can just email one another back and forth in here if you want to.

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    varg,,,im ready to fight brother,iwas about ready to throw in the towel but:im ready to fight this thing now!!!!everyone please join together with me and varg thats what its going to take ,,,all of us fighting ,not just one or two.come on gary,,c, kim,,,jim, everybody that wants their 2nd ammendment back come on its going to take work but,,,it will be worth it,,,james g.

  • Ronnie

    I was convicted 20 years ago of 2 felonies. I had more but they were ran cc. I have 2 felonies on my background ckeck. I am now a registered voter, can run for public office, can and am required to pay taxes just as any other citizen but do not have the same rights as any other citizen. How does that work out? I am at a total loss. How does a domestic violence translate into no felon owning a firearm? From the 60's. I think there was a little too much pcp being back then.I went for my first pardon in August, go again next year. I would rather it be taken by storm where all non-violent offenders get their gunrights back after completing their sentence and maybe a waiting period. That would be all fine, I am ok with waiting. I have waited all this time.

  • Ronnie

    Varg, I am with you if I can do something.Here in Oklahoma I don't even have the right to be on the fire department like that makes any since. I am trained in cpr have been a fire fighter and yet they still stick their nose in my personal life and liberties. The constitution is quickly fading. We need to do something.

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    Hey ron this is james,were going to win this thing brother!!!!!!!!!thank you for this comment.I feel were all going to get our gun rights back.keep them comments rolling,,,lets speak out,,,,,,j.gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    hey ronnie,i was looking at your old comment on #14,I was 17 also when my felonies happened and they tried me as an adult.I like the way they sit around and just make up laws and think they are"politicially corrcet" and abiding what they think their just constitutional right system,WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!ANY LEGAL CITIZEN CAN AND HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!IF WE PAY TAXES WHICH WE DO,,,WERE LEGAL CITIZENS!!!!!!!J.GIBBS

  • c

    Guys,

    I found this on a website, but I do not know if it is legit or not.

    This individual claims that he has sufficient evidence to back it up. I've sent him numerous emails in referenced to his statement. Lets get this thing rolling, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH NO MORE second class citizens ( ONLY AMERICAN'S)

    "A convicted felon can not even posse ammo let alone a gun. Here is the exception to that law though. On the federal side for it to take effect the gun or ammo has to have crossed state lines at one time. So if there is a gun maker in the state then you could buy a weapon from them and load your own ammo and be totally legal on the federal aspect of it. I do know this to be a fact and can look it up if you need me to. I was a police officer for 15yrs and have researched the subject for prosecution and for a friend that had a felon DUI conviction. The black powder route is also available. I would try to get it expundged in the state I got the felony and ask that they restore my gun rights written in the court order. I would then carry that document with when ever I had a gun for the rest of my life b/c it probably won't show up on a NCIC check ever. It would suck spending a weekend in jail while they checked your story"

  • c

    what gives them the right to play god. prior to 68 ex offenders were allowed to bare arms regardless if he/she had a felony or a m/m conviction. We the people, should wake up that the government is only doing it to control us because soon well all be under their hands if we do not wake up asap.

  • http://www.gunlaws.com/travel.htm c

    There is hope for federal offenders. Please take a look at the mffa(montana firearms freedom act). Basicly, if you possess firearms that are made in the state of Montana, the feds does not have authorities to regulate if the firearm stays in Montana

    http://Www.gunlaws.com/page9folder/pagenine-64.htm

  • Varg

    The federal law, Title 18, United States Code, Section 922(g) makes it unlawful for certain classes of individuals to ship, transport, possess or receive any firearm or ammunition with the required interstate commerce nexus. Those prohibited classes of persons are: convicted felons (§ 922(g)(1)); fugitives from justice (§ 922(g)(2)); unlawful users or addicts of controlled substances (§ 922(g)(3)); mental defectives (§ 922(g)(4)); illegal aliens (§ 922(g)(5)); dishonorably discharged servicemen (§ 922(g)(6)); and persons who have renounced their U.S. citizenship (§ 922(g)(7)). The penalty provision for a violation of § 922(g) appears at 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(2), which provides that a person who "knowingly" violates § 922(g) "shall be fined as provided in this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both."

    If your State says you can have rifles or shotguns, but not handguns, YOU will break federal law if you get one. Please read the Caron case (link at bottom) in the section "Opinion of the Court" near the end. Caron was convicted of federal felon with a weapon charge even though his State said he could have the weapon!

    Be careful! Unless the State has restored your rights to vote, hold office and sit on a jury AND DOES NOT LIMIT FIREARMS OWNERSHIP AT ALL (meaning in any way; you can have handguns, dangerous ordnances, everything), the federal government will convict you.

    As for the Firearms Freedom Acts, Tennessee and Montana have passed them, my State has proposed it. They basically say that the federal government have no jurisdiction over weapons or ammo that have not crossed State lines. Of course, the ATF have written letters to the FFL dealers in those States telling them NOT TO OBEY THAT STATE LAW that the federal government has jurisdiction over ALL guns and ammo.

    So, a guy in Montana has filed suit to challenge it in court. As he should.

    This is a Tenth Amendment issue. The federal government has way overstepped its boundaries with regulation of firearms. They claim the power under the "interstate commerce clause" in the enumerated powers. That is [unnecessary profanity redacted] and they know it. Interstate Commerce does not include the use and ownership of a product. It means they can regulate the commerce of it. That is it.

    38 States have passed Tenth Amendment resolutions putting the feds on notice. 2 have passed the Firearms Freedom Act, and several have proposed it. NOW is the time to push federal government back out of our lives, including that of felons. If our State says we can have a gun, then we should be able to have a gun. Period.

    In so many ways, our federal government has grown tyrannical. This is just one issue that we need to fight.

    Caron v. United States
    http://supreme.justia.com/us/524/308/

    The Bean Case
    http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002

    • ryno

      Excellent Comment bud. You should run for office!

  • Varg

    Here is an interesting group that just started. Sign this petition:

    http://nagr.org/atfpetition1.aspx?pid=1

  • c

    Does the freedom firearm acts pertain to ex offenders? Well let say I become a resident in mt after I finish sor and I am in possessiong of a made in mt firearm can I be prosecuted

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    I'am just fighting for my rights back,,people,I haven't been in trouble for 19 years and don't plan to.I just want to feel normal again like a human being should feel and be able to hunt when i want to,Ican't even coon hunt with my stepson, i can't deerhunt w/ my step son ,I can't do a darn thing and that is terrible.I love my family and want to have the natural constitutional free and american pure right to protect my family.LETS DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO GET OUR GUN RIGHTS BACK MY FRIENDS AND IT HAS TO BE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!J. GIBBS

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!!!!!!!!!WE HAVE PROVED OURSELVES OVER AND OVER!!!!!!!!!!CHECK OUT THE BRITT CASE,HE WENT IN FULL FORCE ,DID'NT BACK DOWN,THEY CONVICTED HIM OF A CRAZY CRIME IN NORTH CAROLINA AND THEN PARDONED HIM,A LONG TIME EXPERIENCED HUNTER AT THAT,THEN STRIPPED HIM OF HIS 2ND AMMENDMENT RIGHTS ,RIPPED THE HEART RIGHT OUT OF ANY CHANCE OF MEANING OF THE WORDS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!WHAT HAPPENED THEN ALL #@@@ BROKE LOOSE.NORTH CAROLINA SUPREME COURT VS.BRITT ,,,THE MOST IMAGINABLE HAPPENED ,,,HE WON,,,,,HE WON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AND WE CAN DO THE SAME THING.IT HAS GONE TO FAR!!!!!!!!!!!!I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MORE I CAN TAKE!!!!!!IM GOING TO FREAKING FORGET HOW TO USE A GUN BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN SO LONG SINCE I HAVE USED ONE.THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT DECLARES ANY TAX PAYING, LAW ABIDING CITIZEN,(WHICH WE ARE AT THE PRESENT TIME BECAUSE WERE NOT COMMITTING ANY CRIMINAL ACT AT THE PRESENT TIME)HAS A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGHT TO SPEAK FOR ITSELF!!!!!!!!!!.WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!WE HAVE A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!!WE HAVE A RIGHT TO OUR 2ND AMMENDMENT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!WE HAVE PROVED OURSELF OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!!!!!!!CONGRESS WOULD FEEL REALLY BAD IF WE WERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BARREL AND THEY WERE IN OUR POSITION THEY WOULD BE CRYING LIKE LITTLE BABIES,,WE WOULD HAVE TO BE MIXING THEIR FORMULA,,PAMPERING THEM ,TAKING OVER THERE OFFICE JOBS,AND BUY THEM ALL SOME STROLLERS WITHA PASSEFIRE STUCK IN THEIR MOUTHS AND ROLL THEIR ### RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF WALLSTREET!!!!!!!!!!!AKA/ANGRY FELON

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    TENNESSEE FIREARMS FREEDOM ACT(SB 1644) TITLE 4/BEAVER—-AND DONT FORGET MONTANA!!!SOUTH CAROLINA AMONGST THEM ,,,INCLUDING FLORIDA,,,,WE BETTER GET BUSY!!!!!!!!!!LATER GUYS!!!

  • Varg

    c,

    The Firearms Freedom Act puts the governance of firearms made in-state back in control of the State government. Therefore, if you are a felon, and your State had passed FFA, and your state says you can have a rifle, or shotgun, then you would be alowed to have that weapon if it was manufactured in your State -IN THEORY.

    The reason I say in theory is because the federal government is defying the State's Tenth Amendment rights by promising to prosecute anyone who follows the FFA passed in their State.

    So, we have a stand off. We CANNOT BACK DOWN. NOW IS THE TIME WE PUSH HARDER THAN EVER! Support the Tenth Amendment Center, Support Gun Owners of America, and Support NAGR! Don't waste your money into the NRA who COMPRIMISES with congress at every turn. Support those of us who are filing lawsuits, every victory brings all of us closer to victory.

    We will start a foundation dedicated to this, it will take some time, but we have a great plan and it will be successful.

    http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/

    http://nationalgunrights.org/

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    go varg!!!!!!!!!!!!thank you buddy for YOUR SUPPORT!!THANK YOU FOR CARING MAN,,.LIKE I HAVE SAID BEFORE I'AM HERE MY FRIEND TO HELP OUT WHAT EVER WAY I CAN OK?2ND AMMENDMENT RIGHTS IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.,,,,,LETS HELP HIM OUT EVERYBODY EVERY WAY WE CAN,THIS GUY KNOWS HIS STUFF AND KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE LAW.SO LETS HELP HIM ,,,J.GIBBS

  • c

    Does this mean I could have a firearm legally in my state if I'm a federal offender since I' have nothing in state or would I have to get permission from the state in which I reside in. Thanks and god bless america and your family

  • Varg

    My advice to all other felons is NOT to own a gun right now UNLESS you have been fully pardoned or the State has FULLY restored ALL rights and does not limit firearms rights in ANY way.

    The FFA would in fact put the State law as supreme, but AGAIN the argument right now is who is supreme. Both the State and the Fed are claiming supremecy, and its going to be a long ugly battle. We have to see what comes out of these lawsuits.

    I met with a man today that sued the Clinton Administration and WON. I have a copy of his suit and the court opinion, lots of Brady Bill stuff. So I am working on this as well guys. Right now is a lot of research, but soon will come the time when I will need all of your help.

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    im in like flinn varg LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!LETS ALL DO THIS together J GIBBS

  • http://dadf c

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill

    Does this apply to us as well?

  • http://dadf c

    well, since it referred to American so I guess that includes us or are we no longer American's? I checked and the bill does not include amending USC 18 922 G :(

  • IsThisAmerica

    I am in the same boat as everyone else here, no gun, because of a felony almost 10 years old, first and only offense! I would love to own a firearm or even several firearms, for protection and for SPORT! I have had enough of this country's raping of my constitutional rights. I do not even care whom is concerned if you are a US citizen you have gun rights. I am just sick of this, so sick of it.

    • Larry

      …………….man you can get your gun rights back as a convicted felon . ………………………………………….please read……………………………………Get Your Criminal Record Expunged…………… google it online………. If you do a felony and the sheriff will not expunge your record because he believes your a danger to the public, then shut up……… if your to stupid to figure out how to have your record expunged, then your too stupid to own a gun.

  • http://dadf c

    we know where ya coming from bro.

  • c

    What about law suits against the brady campaign? Since it obvilosly violates our 2nd amendment by adding its own law to the constitution

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    this is for ad 98 (is this america) just join us and help us fight for our gun rights back.its people thats teaming up and standing and fighting together is whats going to do it!Ipersonally believe that when a person has completed their sentence and has not been in trouble for 5 or 10 years they should be given a second chance.And then if they keep on and on,then take the gunrights away.But their not even doing that,they dont even want us to have 1 chance and thats what burns me up about it,,,,keep in touch,,,,j.gibbs

  • Varg

    I just wrote a long comment and it didn't load, don't have time now but I will come back and do it later.

    Hang in there.

  • c

    http://crime.about.com/ google gun laws check the second link guys

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    hello evry1 whats the gameplan now?im kind of getting the vibes that were not getting our gun rights back!

  • jim

    ok people i havn't been on this web site for a while and i like what i am reading lets get pumped were all good people here we made a mistake but they can't hold it against us for ever lets keep growing spread the word lets send this site to congress let them know were here and were not going away we need to tell everyone we know that is a law abiding xfelon about this site lets post on craigs list

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    sounds good jim ,,,how do we go about that?im up for any ideas to get the word out ,,so they will hear our voice,,,,stay in touch we need all the people we can to win this fight.article 1 section 8 of our united states constitution states it all as well as our 2nd and 10th ammendment if you will.even the first sentence of our 5th ammendment states:"RIGHTS OF PERSONS-IT SAIS,No personshall be held to answer for a capitalor otherwise infamous crime.even in our 6th ammendment states:in all criminal prosecutions,the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial,,,wooooooooooo hold up right there!!!!we have been heard and it should be left right there!!we better get a handle on this quick and fight our behinds off!!,,,keep in touch jim we need your help buddy,,,,,,,j.gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc J.GIBBS

    hey jim this is james again ,,i remember you now ,i went back a little and read the old articles,,welcome back aboard buddy!!keep with us were going to win this thing,,,,,,,j.gibbs

  • jim

    RIGHT on Washington said Jefferson

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    jim ,where are you from?how old is your felony?have you applied for a state pardon?keep in touch my friend,,,,,,j.gibbs

  • c

    Varg, were waiting haha

  • http://www.dlopezforcongress.com Delia Lopez

    The craziest part of this is Our government was created to protect our unalienable god given rights. Unalienable means they can not be lost, taken or removed. Not at any time by anyone! Our government was to protect us in defending these rights! From stronger or wealthier people or companies or? The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. Anyone look up the definition of the word?, I have. So I am wondering if a federal lawsuit handled by special appearance as explained by Roger Weidner here http://midnight-emissary.com/article-some_dare_ca… would be effective? If that suit was won, and you had copies of the fact that is was and the restrictions ruled unconstitutional, as were the Brady laws by the supreme court in the Sheriff Richard Mack case, if that could be used to restore all of our god given rights to bear arms for all of us felons or not? Our federal government does not have the constitutional authority to limit our ownership of arms in ANY WAY!? nor make it more difficult. So how are they?

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    waiting for what c?

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    jim ,how would you post on craigslist ?That to me sounds like an idea.Post something like /whoever wants to join "felons fighting back for gun rights call here or link here,something of that nature,you know.Because you can rest assure that there are so many felons waiting for a chance for someone wanting to help them.But my question is how do we go about it?,,,j.gibbs

  • jim

    hay james i am from fla and my felony is federal its been 22yrs since the offense they say its almost impossible to get your gun rights back from them cause u have to deal with the gustapo ATF

  • jim

    go to craigs list and pick motorcycles and put free harley and under descriptions put 2nd chance for felons this web site will help

  • c

    Varg was going to post a long comment but it did not load

  • http://avo c

    Bravo jim

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com LearnAboutGuns.com

    Jim,

    Spamming craigslist, by posting a misleading title and then a link to another website, is wrong. It is a violation of the craigslist terms of use, and a violation of internet etiquette. Spamming craigslist (or any other website) in the manner you're advocating will just annoy that website's users and bring negative attention to your cause. Moreover, spamming craigslist by linking to learnaboutguns.com could get learnaboutguns.com blacklisted as a known spam website. Seeing how I've spent many hours of my time building up this website, I do not wish to see that happen.

    All,

    As far as methods of advancing your cause, you may wish to consider the following:

    * Petitions: start an online petition. A website which offers free petitions is http://www.ipetitions.com/
    * Advertising: You could advertise online. A website which offers quite inexpensive (a few cents per day) advertising is https://www.projectwonderful.com
    * Letter writing: Write letters to your local newspapers and your congressmen. One of you can draft a form letter, which others can modify and send to their representatives.

    I would also like to caution everyone against taking to heart any "legal advice" that they read online from non-lawyers. More on that can be seen here: http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2009/11/06/a-quick-… Remember, nothing I post on this website constitutes legal advice, and no attorney-client relationship is formed between myself and visitors to this website. Anyone needing legal advice is urged to contact an attorney in their state.

    With that said, I again encourage you to continue your discussion.

  • http://avo c

    Can the government constitutionally amend the consitution by applying the gca 68 ban on ex-offenders even though prior to 68 ex offenders could still bare arms? Isn't that infringing upon our bill of rights already? Why is it so hard to comprehend the definition of shall not be infringed?

  • jim

    i didn't realize that well back to square 2 i'm looking to Varg i have read some of his site and seems to know what is going on

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    Hey varg,learn about guns come up with a wonderful idea.How about an online petition from felons to scream out for their gun rights back?the free link is on here i just wouldn,t no how to set it up.We all could sign it that comes in this website that would be a start!I've always been told"you have to make a start before you can make a finish"!!!!!!!!!!j.Gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    c,,what kind of crime are you dealing with?any new ideas that could be linked in our precious constitutional system,bcause they sure don't like the word unconstitutional,I just honestly think that if a person,{he/she} has done out their time and proved to society of maintaining a legit,and stable american u.s. citizen should have their rights reinstated as our 2nd ammendment right states!!!!agree or disagree?,,,,,,,,,,,j.gibbs

  • http://dadf c

    no one is allowed to take it away for any reason. in other words, if your a male no one is allowed to change you unless you decide to!

  • http://dadf c

    hence the word shall not be infringed!

  • http://avo c

    Migration

  • http://avo c

    For those who might want to migrate, look into canada

  • http://avo c

    Just fill out the form for rehabilation and obtain your pal posession acquisition license and your good to go

  • http://avo c

    http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applicat

    Fill out the form with honest answers

  • http://avo c

    Pass the cfsc or the rcfsc(canadian firearm safety course & restricted canadian firearm safety course)

  • http://avo c

    There was this case an american got convicted of armed robbery and now he can possess firearms in canada legally

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    c, do you not want to answer me? lol,,,thats ok you do not have to,i was just wandering what kind of felony you had on you thats all,im going to be filing for my pardon to get my gun rights back at the end of the month,I had some back lawyer fees (monetary conditions )to take care of bfore the Raliegh,N.C.Office Of Clemency would even review it if they even will.,,,,,talk to you later,,,,,,,,j.gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    Guys what do you think our forefathers would even think of the way our government,congress,and our lovely constitutional right system has got the way it is?The constitutional right system that they worked so hard and shaped it in to something good that went so wrong,,,,WONDER WHY?

  • Varg

    Delia in 111 brings up an interesting point. I just seen Sheriff Mack a week and a half ago and actually got a hardcopy of his lawsuit against the Clinton Admin/Brady Bill. Yes, it is helpful, but not as helpful as we would like because the ruling deals with civilian law enforcement not being forced to enforce federal regulatory programs.

    As for learnaboutguns comments, I agree about the legal advice. I am not an attorney. I know this section of law fairly well, but my views do not constitute legal advice. I am one of you that happens to have been at this for 8 years now. I won on the State level, and now moving forward. I am putting together a federal lawsuit to piggyback off of the decision of the upcoming McDonald case (in hopes that ruling will be favorable.)

    I am also working on a research grant from the University to do national research in our favor. All of the research surveys and stats provided to Congress are always against us, like that of the corrupt Violence Policy Center. I have secured a departmental promise to grant, so if the University approves in Janurary, I will put together national level research to support our cause like nothing else ever has. This will give me serious firepower when we need to lobby or litigate.

    As for a petition, I'm am not so sure what a petition will do beyond collect names. Does it really have teeth? How many petitions have been dismissed by our government? Nonetheless, I say we go ahead and do it. What can it hurt? (learnaboutguns, thank you for the link, your comments, and also providing this forum for us)

    Guys, I know this can be discouraging. Believe me, in my daily fight for liberty I often feel like it is insurmountable. However, we can not give up. We must start fighting back. This will not be fixed overnight. "It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men." ~Samuel Adams

  • http://dadf c

    in the event of an global emergency, the gov's wil hands us a gun yet we can't aim for [unnecessary profanity redacted] haha.

  • http://dadf c

    add a lawyer, in order to be charged under 922g your firearm must be manufactered outside of your state and it must cross state lines at one time for the feds to pick it up.

  • http://dadf c

    Varg, please post your long comment.

  • http://dadf c
  • Christopher Kierkus

    Interesting thread.

    Illustrates an important point:

    On the surface, the restriction against a "convicted felon" owning / carrying a firearm seems perfectly reasonable.

    The problem, however, is that our government is "felony happy". A felony is supposed to be a truly serious crime … however, for a variety of reasons, nearly any illegal behavior (particularly at the Federal level) can be (and often is) defined as a felony.

    This happens for many political and practical reasons. One of the most important is that it gives prosecutors leverage in the plea bargaining process ("well, you're charged with a felony, but we'll be nice and let you plead it down to a misdemeanor if you agree to plead guilty …"

    It also seems reasonable to argue: "Well, then it should just be VIOLENT criminals who are restricted from owning firearms!" However, "violent" is not a legal definition. It's unclear who and what such a restriction would apply to.

    It would seem to me that rather than having a blanket restriction, courts should be required to impose a restriction as part of the sentencing process. The length of the restriction should be commensurate with the crime. A person convicted of armed robbery or aggravated assault with a firearm SHOULD be restricted for the rest of their lives. On the other hand … a conviction for a crime that has nothing to do with firearms might not warrant any restriction.

    Further, once a person's "restriction sentence" is up … their rights should automatically "return to normal".

    Sadly though … our justice system rarely does what's just … merely what's administratively and politically expedient.

    (BTW … for what it's worth, I'm a criminal justice professor who studies this kind of stuff.)

    • richard

      love your post. I live in NY, any advice you could give me I would appreciate very much. I am a non violent, single event felon. Thank you.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    VARG YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!!!YOU GO BOY,,SEE WHATS HAPPENING HERE MY FELLOW FRIENDS!!!READ BACK ON ALL THE COMMENTS,,IN A MONTHS TIME I HAVE BEEN WATCHING THIS WEBSITE/CHATROOM JUST EXPLODE WITH FEELINS AND OUTRAGE AND TRUTH!!PEOPLE WE ARE COMING TOGETHER AND FIGHTING BACK ALREADY!!!JUST IN THIS CHATROOM ALONE,,WE ARE DISCUSSING STUFF TOGETHER,LISTENING TO ONE ANOTHERS COMMENTS,,GETTING A PLAN TOGETHER FOR ALL OF OUR BENEFITS,THANK YOU ALL FOR WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS,,I LOVE THIS CHATROOM ,,,AND THANK YOU SO MUCH ,,,,,,LEARN ABOUT GUNS/UR#1,,,BECAUSE YOUR STANDING BEHIND US AND IM TRULY APPRECIATIVE OF IT,,,LETS KEEP TOGETHER BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WILL WIN THIS THING,,GROUPING TOGETHER AND FIGHTING!!!YOUR FRIEND-J.GIBBS

  • http://dadf c

    Varg thank you!!!!

  • Varg

    c, as it stands right now, federal law gun law supersedes State law. This is not how it should be according to the Constitution Article 1 Section 8 and the Tenth Amendment.

    However, States are now fighting back with Tenth Amendment resolutions and the Firearms Freedom Acts. We just have to get behind them and pressure our State representatives to vote yes on these moves. We also have to wait for the rulings on the lawsuits that will come as a result of States' legislation.

    You are looking for a loophole that doesn't exist, yet. We are fighting this, and States are fighting this also. Just be patient. We will get through this, as long as we don't give up.

  • Varg

    To Christopher, 138

    You are absolutely right. I am a legal researcher/aide by trade. I am also a sociologist. Until you really see first hand how the criminal system works, it is easy to support a blanket restriction that demonizes all "felons". The most important thing I have learned that exposes the injustice is, as you point out, the plea bargain. It is common knowledge in the legal profession that prosecutors overcharge to secure a plea bargain. This supports the nearly 97% conviction rate in most courts.

    When someone who has very little money, education and/or resources is faced with the intimidation of a maximum felony sentence, they almost always take the 2 year offer over chancing the possibility of 15 years from a jury trial. Prosecutors know this game. It is their job to secure convictions. The system is sick.

    As for permanent disenfranchisement, it should not exist as a blanket policy. Most States do provide a process for felons to petition the court for their rights to be reinstating. However, because of unconstitutional federal intrusion into State issues the federal government most often does not respect the State restoration. This happened to me. The State granted me the right to vote, hold office, and sit on a jury automatically. I then petitioned the court for firearms rights and was granted those rights back. The federal government refuses to respect that restoration and threatens me with a federal weapons disability felony if I possess any firearms. You would think that at least the 'full faith and credit' doctrine would apply.

  • darryl

    no felon should be disenfrachised after their time is served.all gun laws are unconstitutional.guns are for protecting yourself from criminals AND the goverment!if you have to ask for your rights back then you never realy had them.every felony is a life sentince for those of us to poor or not conected.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    i agree daryl,,totally agree

  • Varg

    How to Slay a Dragon

    To slay a monstrous dragon, one can not simply charge the dragon and stab it in the heart. A small and fragile individual, you are no match for the dragon's size and experience. Often, those who would fight the dragon are consumed with the fires of their own anger and hatred for it. This only leads to demise, as the individual will lunge wildly stabbing towards the dragon's heart, only to miss by wide distances. Ultimately, in a fit of rage, the individual is crushed.

    Knowing this, the individual must work to incrementally get closer and closer to the beast. This can be done by hacking at its outer limbs, maneuvering to a better position, and even team work with other individuals. In this manner, the individual gets ever closer to the heart, crippling the beast in the process. This is the only way to fight such a monstrous entity bent on holding you captive.

    So, my point is this. The federal government and the convoluted laws that surround them are like the dragon. I know that it is discouraging, and enraging, when we feel like our Constitutional rights are violated. We often want law and government to reflect logic or reason. Guys, that is not how government works.

    George Washington once said, "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

    Today, we no longer have a dangerous servant; we have a fearful master. This did not happen overnight, and we are not going to fix it overnight. Incremental steps are being taken to get closer to the heart and cripple the beast. The Firearms Freedom Acts, the Heller and McDonald cases, etc. are all examples of this. We are not alone. Everyone is tired of it, and many are fighting the dragon as well.

    We need court decisions, like Heller (and hopefully McDonald). We need States to stand up and fight the usurpation like the FFA movement. We need research to provide evidence that many people go on to contribute to society and remain trouble-free after a felony.

    Guys, this takes time. I can assure you that I am dedicated to this. At home, each of you with State felonies can file for unconditional pardons and firearms restorations while waiting for these national moves to go through. Just don't give up, and don't let your emotions get the best of you.

    I will fight until it is time for me to expire, and then I will hand the sword off to the next guy…

    We will win this.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    VARG MY FRIEND,,(LOL) MAN THAT WAS THE BEST COMMENT I HAVE EVER READ ANY ONE WRITE!!!MY GOSH MAN,,,THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT BUDDY.YOU NEED ME IN ANY SHAPE,FASHION,FORM,E.T.C. JUST LET ME KNOW OK?THAT WAS GOOD AND FROM THE HEART THANKS BUDDY!!!!!!!!!YOUR FRIEND,,,J.GIBBS

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    where is everybody? dont give up!!! keep these comments rolling!!!the federal goverment,congress,and washington are keeping their crooked mess going so we should be trying to straighten these people out!!and our 2nd ammendment rights out!!!!lets fight,fight,fight,fight,fight,and fight until we cant fight no more,,,,j.gibbs

  • Varg

    If anyone is interested in helping, the first thing we can do is to find other existing felons' rights groups. Search the internet for groups such as "All of US or None" (a group I found on google).

    I will work to begin linking with other groups that have established networks of felons interested in civil rights restoration.

    If anyone finds any, please post the links here on this forum.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    im still searching varg,,found (1 pretaining to gun rights: http://www.guncite.com,, keep in touch,,,i will be looking buddy take care,,,,j.gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    hey varg my friend,,,here is a few more i done some quick research and this is what i come up with ok?pretty good commenting on these :www.gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com,www.democraticunderground.com,and http://www.alphecca.com/hope this is of some good help to you buddy,,,later,,,,j.gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    sorry varg it was supposed to be http://www.alphecca.com ok buddy take care and keep in touch,,,,,,j.gibbs

  • http://dadf c

    HR 1529 IH
    111th CONGRESS
    1st Session
    H. R. 1529
    To permit expungement of records of certain nonviolent criminal offenses.
    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    MARCH 16, 2009
    Mr. RANGEL introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

    lets have our congress men/ women know that we the people want this bill passed! this will remove the disability on our 2nd amendments
    A BILL
    To permit expungement of records of certain nonviolent criminal offenses.
    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
    This Act may be cited as the ‘Second Chance for Ex-Offenders Act of 2009’.
    SEC. 2. EXPUNGEMENT OF CRIMINAL RECORDS FOR CERTAIN NONVIOLENT OFFENDERS.
    (a) In General- Chapter 229 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after subchapter C the following new subchapter:
    ‘SUBCHAPTER D–EXPUNGEMENT
    ‘Sec.
    ‘3631. Expungement of certain criminal records in limited circumstances.
    ‘3632. Requirements for expungement.
    ‘3633. Procedure for expungement.
    ‘3634. Effect of expungement.
    ‘3635. Reversal of expunged records.
    ‘3636. Unsealing of records.
    ‘Sec. 3631. Expungement of certain criminal records in limited circumstances
    ‘(a) In General- Any individual convicted of an nonviolent offense who fulfills the requirements of section 3632 may file a petition under this subchapter to expunge the record of such conviction.
    ‘(b) Definition of Nonviolent Offense- In this subchapter, the term ‘nonviolent offense’ means a misdemeanor or felony offense against the United States that does not have as an element of the offense the use of a weapon or violence and which did not actually involve violence in its commission.
    ‘Sec. 3632. Requirements for expungement
    ‘No individual shall be eligible for expungement under this subchapter unless, before filing a petition under this subchapter, such individual–
    ‘(1) has never been convicted of a violent offense (including an offense under State law that would be a violent offense if it were Federal) and has never been convicted of a nonviolent offense other than the one for which expungement is sought;
    ‘(2) has fulfilled all requirements of the sentence of the court in which conviction was obtained, including completion of any term of imprisonment or period of probation, meeting all conditions of a supervised release, and paying all fines;
    ‘(3) has remained free from dependency on or abuse of alcohol or a controlled substance a minimum of 1 year and has been rehabilitated, to the satisfaction of the court referred to in section 3633(b), if so required by the terms of a supervised release;
    ‘(4) has obtained a high school diploma or completed a high school equivalency program; and
    ‘(5) has completed at least one year of community service, as determined by the court referred to in section 3633(b).
    ‘Sec. 3633. Procedure for expungement
    ‘(a) Petition- An individual may file a petition for expungement in the court in which the conviction was obtained. A copy of the petition shall be served by the court upon the United States Attorney for the district in which the conviction sought to be expunged was obtained. Not later than 60 days after receipt of such petition, the United States Attorney may submit written recommendations to the court and notify the petitioner of that recommendation.
    ‘(b) Court-Ordered Expungement- The court, after consideration of evidence submitted by the petitioner in support of the petition and any evidence submitted by the Government in support of objections it may have to granting the petition, shall rule on the petition. In making that ruling the court, after determining whether the petitioner meets the eligibility requirements of this subchapter, shall weigh the interests of the petitioner against the best interests of justice and public safety.
    ‘Sec. 3634. Effect of expungement
    ‘(a) In General- An order granting expungement under this subchapter shall restore the individual concerned, in the contemplation of the law, to the status such individual occupied before the arrest or institution of criminal proceedings for the crime that was the subject of the expungement.
    ‘(b) No Disqualification; Statements- After an order granting expungement of any individual’s criminal records under this subchapter, such individual shall not be required to divulge information pertaining to the expunged conviction and the fact that such individual has been convicted of the criminal offense concerned shall not–
    ‘(1) operate as a disqualification of such individual to pursue or engage in any lawful activity, occupation, profession, and
    ‘(2) held under any provision of law guilty of perjury, false answering, or making a false statement by reason of his failure to recite or acknowledge such arrest or institution of criminal proceedings, or results thereof, in response to an inquiry made of him for any purpose.
    ‘(c) Records Expunged or Sealed- Upon order of expungement, all official law enforcement and court records, including all references to such person’s arrest for the offense, the institution of criminal proceedings against him, and the results thereof, except publicly available court opinions or briefs on appeal, shall be expunged (in the case of nontangible records) or gathered together and sealed (in the case of tangible records).
    ‘(d) Record of Disposition To Be Retained- A nonpublic record of a disposition or conviction that is the subject of an expungement order shall be retained only by the Department of Justice solely for the purpose of use by the courts in any subsequent adjudication.
    ‘Sec. 3635. Disclosure of expunged records
    ‘(a) Law Enforcement Purposes- The Department of Justice may maintain a nonpublic manual or computerized index of expunged records containing only the name of, and alphanumeric identifiers that relate to, the persons who are the subject of such expunged records, the word ‘expunged’, and the name of the person, agency, office, or department that has custody of the expunged records, and shall not name the offense committed. The index shall be made available only to Federal and State law enforcement personnel who have custody of such expunged records and only for the purposes set forth in subsection (b) of this section.
    ‘(b) Authorized Disclosure- Such records shall be made available to the person accused or to such person’s designated agent and shall be made available to–
    ‘(1) any prosecutor, law enforcement agency, or court which has responsibility for criminally investigating, prosecuting, or adjudicating such individual;
    ‘(2) any State or local office or agency with responsibility for the issuance of licenses to possess guns where the accused has made application for such license; or
    ‘(3) any prospective city, State, or Federal employer or agency, involved in investigating and/or prosecuting under criminal or civil statutes including employers of police or peace officers and in relation to an application for employment as an employee of a city, State, or Federal employer or agency involved in investigating or prosecuting under criminal or civil statutes including as a police officer or peace officer, and every person who is an applicant for the position of police officer, peace officer, or any other prospective city, State, or Federal employer or agency, involved in investigating or prosecuting under criminal or civil statutes shall be furnished with a copy of all records obtained under this paragraph and afforded an opportunity to make an explanation thereto.
    ‘(c) Punishment for Improper Disclosure- Any person who knowingly disseminates information relating to an expunged conviction other than the offender shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
    ‘Sec. 3636. Reversal of expunged records
    ‘The records expunged under this subchapter shall be restored by operation of law as public records and may be used in all court proceedings if the individual whose conviction was expunged is subsequently convicted of any Federal or State offense.’.
    (b) Clerical Amendment- The table of subchapters at the beginning of chapter 229 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following item:
    3631’.
    (c) Effective Date- The amendments made by this Act shall apply to individuals convicted of an offense before, on, or after the date of enactment of this Act.

  • Varg

    c,

    HR 1529 DOES NOT restore 2nd Amendment rights. It is a good piece of legislation as it works to further allow felons a second chance, but all it will do is seal conviction records from PRIVATE SECTOR. That means, any law enforcement, prosecutor, or court will still see your conviction record. What it will do is allow you to apply for jobs that would not hire felons because any non-law enforcement would not be able to see your conviction record.

    However, if you look at Section 3635 Disclosure of expungement records, it clearly states that any office or agency that issues firearms licenses WILL be able to see your conviction. That means you are still under a disability.

    As it stands, as I understand it, (again I am not an attorney and you should clarify your situation with an attorney) unless you have recieved an unconditional pardon, OR have had the right to vote, hold public office, sit on a jury, AND the right to possess firearms with NO LIMITATIONS, you can not own a gun.

    Nonetheless, this is a good piece of legislation as it will allow felons who qualify to be able to pursue jobs that they would not otherwise be able get due to felony convictions.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    http://hubpages.com/hub/Felons-Guns-and-Injustice… another forum guys!!!!!!we are going to win this!!!!!j.gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights… is an intresting one,,,read the comments on this guys people are speaking out!!!!!!!!!!lets speak out along with them,,,j.gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/felons.htm- question?why did alot of those felons get relief for gun rights back in the 90's and then they just stop it and say "well whoever in that period of time frame got relieved are covered and the heck with every other felon???why,why,why?That just troubles me?!please give me an answer guys,,,,,,

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  • http://avo c

    Could an ex offender neogiate with the us gov. With stuff in exchange for gun priviledges?

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    hey c

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    c you need to ask and talk to varg about that!he's real smart about the law and that just doesn't even sound right to me,,,,j.gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    http://chat.lawinfo.com/gun_rights_after-t19220/i… guys there is additional information out there we need to retrieve,,,j.gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    hey guys,,,im really trying to locate different felon groups like learn about guns here has .we need to combine and come together like Varg says so we come together on this!Have you ever heard of the old saying"when we weave the weak strands of our lives together ,A rope of great strength is created"So lets pick that up and run with it guys,,,were getting closer by the minute…j.gibbs

  • Varg

    Urgent Alert: Ask Your U.S. Senators And Representative To Sign Amicus Brief Supporting Second Amendment Rights In The States!

    As a critical Second Amendment case goes before the United States Supreme Court, U.S. Senators Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX) and Jon Tester (D-MT), and Congressmen Mike Ross (D-AR) and Mark Souder (R-IN) are gathering signatures for an amicus curiae ("friend of the court") brief by Members of Congress. And we need your support for this important effort next week.

    The case is McDonald v. City of Chicago, and it will answer the question of whether the Second Amendment applies to the states-as the Congress clearly intended in the 1860s, when it adopted the Fourteenth Amendment to protect constitutional rights against abuse by state and local governments. This brief is an opportunity for today's Congress to show just as clearly that it respects the Second Amendment's importance to all Americans-not just residents of the District of Columbia and other federal territories.

    The brief describes Congress’s debates on the Fourteenth Amendment, and points out the many occasions—from 1866 to 2005—when the Congress has spoken in favor of the Second Amendment as protecting a right of all Americans, and taken action to protect that right against actions such as gun confiscation and predatory lawsuits. It also makes the case for Congress’s interest (under its constitutional war powers) in preserving an armed citizenry as part of America’s national defense.

    When Congress speaks, the Supreme Court listens. And it did in the historic Heller case last year when 55 Senators and 250 Representatives signed an amicus brief supporting the Second Amendment as an individual right. Now every Senator and Congressman who supports the rights of all Americans should step forward to be heard by signing this brief in the McDonald case.

    The brief must be filed within the week, so we need your immediate help! On Monday through Thursday, please call your U.S. Senators and Representative, and urge them to sign on to this critically important brief, which will be a key part of the legal battle to protect the Second Amendment in the U.S. Supreme Court.

    You can call your U.S. Senators at (202) 224-3121, and your U.S. Representative at (202) 225-3121.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    what is that going to help us out with varg?i know the mcdonald case is very important.And the Heller ,and the britt case in North Carolina.How do i know who to contact in Tennessee ?I wouldn't even know where to begin or what to say!!Need your help on that one buddy,,,,,,,,j.gibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    The United States Supreme Court has granted review of the case McDonald versus Chicago. The question presented by this case?

    Whether the right of the people to keep and bear arms guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution is incorporated into the Due Process Clause or the Privileges or Immunities Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment so as to be applicable to the States, thereby invalidating ordinances prohibiting possession of handguns in the home.

    This is one that old Grit (aka Doug) will be interested in, no doubt. While there are many who will undoubtedly fear what the high court may rule, whatever it may rule, it is not something that I, myself, fear, nor should gun owners fear that which is to come from this ruling.

    Those who are strong adherents to gun control are about to receive the judicial equivalent of a sledgehammer being taken to their pet peeve of an issue. Because the right to keep and bear arms is not an absolute right (and I have said such for many years), all forms of control or restraint upon guns will not cease to exist. But, that a right is not absolute does not mean that it is not a broad – or even very broad – right.

    Let us assume, however, the proverbial worst. Well, there's not really any point in that, since the Supreme Court's decision in the Hell case of recent vintage. But, that considered, let us assume that the Supreme Court decides to not incorporate the the Second Amendment, either through selective incorporation doctrine or through wholly incorporating the first eight amendments in the Bill of Rights against the States.

    What would happen, under such an unlikely and improbable scenario, is that gun owners and right to keep and bear arms supporters (not all of which actually own or use guns, themselves) would become politically ignited – and it would then bear its own fruit going forward. The end result would likely be a constitutional amendment to make the right to keep and bear arms enforceable against the States. It would take some time, but political fury would erupt, and such political fury would have political consequences.

    In reading through some of the briefs filed by various parties in the McDonald versus Chicago case, it would appear that the critical question will be less whether the right to keep and bear arms protected by the Second Amendment will be incorporated by the United States Supreme Court using McDonald versus Chicago as the vehicle for doing such, than whether such will be accomplished using either the Privileges and Immunities clause or the Due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

    Will it be incorporated via a continuation of the selective incorporation doctrine? Or will the High Court opt to go with more of a total incorporation scheme. One of my personal favorite passages from the collection of briefs filed in this case is, "Nothing in the text or history of the Fourteenth Amendment points to selective incorporation of Privileges or Immunities."

    In response to the City of Chicago's and Village of Oak Park's Brief for Respondents in Opposition to Certiorari, those entities argued at one point in their brief about States having reliance interests. The opposing argument by McDonald (and his attorneys) was succinctly stated, "States have no legally cognizable reliance interests in violating constitutional rights."

    Chicago and Oak Park are going to lose this case. The Supreme Court is going to sharply rein them in. In the process of doing so, many state and local governments will be reined in, too. This is something that Grit is likely to see in his life time.

    And Obama? Well, you see, my friends, the Supreme Court is going to deal with the issue for President Obama. Then, Obama doesn't have to fret over pissing off gun owners with gun control legislation.

    What a lot of gun owners will not like, if the Supreme Court conducts an extensive analysis of the Privileges and Immunities clause, and using that as the mechanism (or one of the mechanisms) for incorporating the right to keep and bear arms against the States, will be some non-gun-related rulings that will eventually come down from the Supreme Court in the years to come, and which would be based in the Privileges and Immunities clause.

    But, such is life and such is law.

    Rest easy, for the Supreme Court will enforce the right to keep and bear arms against the States. That much is a given, from my perspective. However, the Privileges and Immunities clause looms in the background, in the shadows of history, like a legal Titan about to have its day.

    Personally, I would find that to be a very satisfying thing. Hey varg:what do you think of this article?How can that mess link us to anything?upon reading that article i also read this in another article:(MCDONALD VS.CHICAGO)WHICH WILL LIKELY RESULT IN LOCAL BANS ON FIREARMS OWNERSHIP OR RESTRICTIONS,NO DIFFERENT THAN BANS ALSO BEING DECLARED UNCONSTITUTIONAL,,,WHERE IS THAT HEADED VARG????……..J.GIBBS

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    varg im not trying to say you don't know what your talking about because i know you do brother im just trying to understand the mcdonald linkeage here !!help me understand it,,……..GIBBS

  • Varg

    James,

    All of this is speculation. The case is not decided. And yes, there is a two edged sword here, by forcing states and municipalities to obey the 2nd Amendment, it also puts them under the federal interpretation of the amendment in some circumstances. However, this is all speculation at this point.

    Listen, this part of that incrementalism–hacking at the limbs of the dragon–I talked about. There is not going to be a ruling that comes out and says "Felons can have their guns". Ok? But, with each pro-2nd Amendment ruling, our individual cases strengthen.

    Let's wait and see what the ruling is, ok? This may take until June or so.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    ok buddy sounds great,,thanks/im with you now!!!LETS FIGHT!!!J.GIBBS

  • c

    if this wins, do this mean the government has no right to disable our 2a no matter what the circumstances are?

  • Varg

    No c, it does not mean that. I am an activist, not an attorney, so I do not advise anyone about their specific cases. However, I can tell you that there will never be a law that says everyone, including felons, can have guns.

    But, every win against gun control is a step in the right direction and makes your individual chance of winning better.

    We have to take this one step at a time.

  • c

    varg, to the best of your knowledge, how long do you think the mffa lawsuit is going to take?

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    we all better be worried about the way this freaking nation of ours that washington calls "politically correct" @ a just constitutional law-biding nation,,that is going to ********* in a hand basket right before all of our eyes!!!Its scary out here and we better fight,,Not only for our 2nd ammendment rights ,,,BUT FOR OUR LIVES!!!QUESTION???WHAT IF WE WENT TO WAR ,,SAY,RIGHT HERE IN OUR COUNTRY?GUESS WHAT?THATS RIGHT! WE HAVE NO WAY TO ARM OURSELVES.OUR COUNTRY LOVES AND CARES FOR US DONT THEY?….OVER &OUT….J.GIBBS

  • c

    Anyone know, what kind things could I get by cooperating with the gov?

    thanks.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    ITS TIME TO HOLD ALL US GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS ACCOUNTABLE:Thearticles of confederation were replaced with the constitution which granted the federal government enough authority to cultivate,promote and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity but;not enough power to destroy it.The balance between governmental authority and individual liberty was understood and accepted.Federal was confined to that which was specifically enumerated in the constitution and no more.The U.S. Constitution,Article One Section Five,Clause 2 and the 10th ammendment to the constitution provide the constitutional authority for the president,vise-president,cabinet appointees,members of congress and members of the supreme court to be removed from office for failure to properly discharge their constitutional duties and responsibilities!!!We better stand up people and agree with this passage very quickly ,this applies to the 2nd ammendment as well.Our so-called government are just spitting on our constitutional rights and sadly,we have seen most of them violate their oath.That is fraud!!Why isnt their asses being convicted?They don't have no trouble convicting us and stripping our rights do they?They would cry like little babies if their gun rights were stripped of them for the fraud of the solemn swear for instance,,remember?"I do solemnly swear that i will support and defend the constitution of the United States.There was a big write up about this in the Rutherford Reader yesterday about this same thing!!!!!!fight back people,,DON'T GIVE UP WERE TO CLOSE TO WINNING!!!!J.GIBBS

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    "Federal Power was confined" oops sorry!!!

  • Varg

    Very good post about Constitutional government James, right on!

    c, I have not heard anything else about the challenge of the ffa in montana, and that would be an important one to watch for us. They may be also waiting on the McDonald case, who knows. McDonald may not come down til June.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    thanks varg ,,See that post was on the front page headlines of rutherford county reader".It is starting to explode everywhere now!!OUR TRUE CONSTITUTIONALISTS ARE SPEAKING OUT TOWARDS OUR FAKE AND UNGENIUNE UNCONSTITUTIONALISTS,,,,THANKS BUDDY!……KEEP FIGHTING,,,J.GIBBS

  • http://avo c

    Fellow amerikans are fed up with the government due to numerous elements

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    thats right C,,PEOPLE ARE PISSED OFF AND ARE TIRED OF GETTING THEIR RIGHTS STRIPPED EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY TURN AROUND AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING IT ARE THE ONES THAT THINK WE DONT ALREADY KNOW THAT THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BEHIND THE CROOKED UNCONSTITUTIONALIZED MASSACRE,,END THE FEDS!!!!WAY TO GO VARG,,WAY TO GO MY FRIEND!!,,,,,J.GIBBS

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    a practice vote,,have you ever heard such mess?,,,lol

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  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    everybody just keep fighting,,,dont give up every day gets closer and closer to something,,,whatever that is however.But,something good will come out of this gun right battle!!!!jgibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    hey guys check this article out along with some felons comments: ahttp://www.sptimes.com/2007/04/06/State/Felons_rights_restore.shtmlre you? James, Gary,guys,??

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    where is everybody?It is echoing in here,,,lol.No but serious guys we have to stand tough together,,,DON'T GIVE UP!!!!PLEASE,OUR FOREFATHERS WENT TO THEIR GRAVE FIGHTING FOR US TO STAND TOUGH NOT TO BACK DOWN OF ANY SORT.JUST LIKE VARG HAS TOLD US IN HERE WE HAVE TO DO ALL THAT WE CAN AND THEN HAND THE TORCH TO THE NEXT GUY AND KEEP THAT TORCH LIT,,,J.GIBBS

  • c

    i'm wit you bro. lets keep our fingers crossed!.

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com LearnAboutGuns.com

    I think you may find this article to be of interest: http://www.alaskalive.net/index.php?option=com_co

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    thank you learn about guns pretty intresting,,,Do you think we all still have a chance of getting our gun rights back one day?………….jgibbs

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com LearnAboutGuns.com

    I believe so, but I think it will take a great deal of effort. Basically, you'll need to make the legislators and/or and the courts understand the problems with a lifetime ban on gun ownership for anyone convicted of a felony, regardless of whether that person poses a risk of violence. You'll also have to make the public understand, since it is unlikely that any elected officials will support gun rights for felons until the public supports it, since those officials like to keep their jobs.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    yes i absolutely agree with you ( L.A.G.).The public and the american people alone the point value of gun ownership for recently covicted felons and felons that have been long suffering and have proved their selves over and over already,,,thank you learn about guns for supporting felons and our gun rights.GOD BLESS YOU AND I HOPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAD A WONDERFUL THANKSGIVING,,,JGIBBS

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    hello!!!!!!!!!!!

  • c

    I wonder where's everyone else.

  • c

    how about a program like the canadians. everything beyond the 5 years is not looked at.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    hey c,,,what is ur opinion on:Ok lets say a person is convicted of a non violent felony and under our true constitutional law states EVERY ONE HAS A RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS.ok what did that state right there in that one sentence alone c?It did not say every one except felons did it?what is your opinion C?What is your opinion on that LEARN ABOUT GUNS? The federal government is under violation of violating their own federal constitutional law and is not even aware of it and there is something bad wrong with that!!!Am I the onliest one that has woke up and realized this or what?Please guys help me out here…..ALL FOR NOW UNTIL I CAN GET SOME ANSWERS RESEARCHED HERE,,,,,LATER GUYS……….JGIBBS

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com LearnAboutGuns.com

    James:

    The constitution states rights in absolute terms, but it is well understood by courts and lawyers that no right is absolute. For example, the 1st Amendment protects free speech using absolute language, yet it is not disputed that some speech may be banned (e.g. slander, treason, threats of violence, etc.) Interpreting what exactly a constitutional right means is the job given to our Supreme Court.

    The second amendment, like every other constitutional right, is not absolute. For example, the government can constitutionally prohibit a private citizen from owning a nuclear bomb. (more on that here: http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/09/10/arms-inc… ) However banning all citizens from having a handgun is clearly unconstitutional (as the Supreme Court made clear in D.C. v. Heller). Unfortunately for felons, the law currently prohibits convicted felons from owning guns, and in D.C. v. Heller, the Supreme Court stated that the government could constitutionally ban convicted felons from owning a gun.

    I (obviously) don't agree with such a blanket ban on gun ownership by convicted felons. In my legal opinion, banning all convicted felons from ever owning a gun is not constitutional. However I'm just a lawyer, rather than a Supreme Court justice, so my opinion doesn't really matter.

    I'm also pretty confident that the Supreme Court will never say that all ex-felons may own a gun. Instead, they might one day find it unconstitutional to apply the gun ban to a particularly sympathetic ex-felon (e.g. someone convicted of a ridiculous felony like selling oysters in a non-transparent bag) who is clearly non-violent.

    So, assuming I'm right, what does this mean for most felons who want their gun rights back? I would say that it means you need to look to congress, rather than the courts, to get your gun rights back. In other words, you should focus your efforts on making the public understand that every felon shouldn't be banned from owning a gun for life, and you should lobby your elected officials to change the law.

    *Note that neither this comment nor anything else I post on this website constitutes legal advice, and no attorney-client relationship is formed through your use of this website.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    thank you learn about guns for your response,,,i am in the process of having my unconditional pardon reviewed ,,i will see how that goes ….jgibbs

  • c

    Were on the same page because even a 10 year old is capable of comprehending the definition of "We have the right to bear arms and it shall not be infringed". You know what piss me off the most? prior to the brady campaign bs, and gca 68 ex offenders were allowed to possess a firearm without any issues so that alone clearly shows at one time anyone who was convicted of a felony could legally own a firearm. The previous statement would support the theory that the second amendment applies to the people and not the "government" hence there is a reason why our constitution begins with "WE THE PEOPLE" and no where do I see it in a different perspective where it reads The Government of the people. I'd say everyone ex offender sue the living crap out of VOP, BRADY! ITS all about controlling the people.

  • c

    mf's no they can't PROHIBIT THE People with their 2a but they could amend the consitution.

  • http://avo c

    I think the meaning of deprieve of hapiness, liberty omly applies when your locked up oppose for life which is unsual and cruel punishment? The right to self defense is prohibited the right to hunt so that you could put food in your families mouth again is unlawful. Where is the logistic with that? I bet our founding fathers are glad that they are unable to vision the things that are done to its fellow americans.

  • http://avo c

    Lol at them when their lack of people to defend the constitution( world war) and they probably just hand you a firearm but you can't aim worth crap who shallthey blame then?

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    yeah c, i agree,,its just not right and i will not let it go that they are melting the true meaning of our constitutional right to bear arms or anything else for that matter,how much more can they keep getting away with bfore american felons stand up and protest!!I had a guy to tell me just today that all felons worldwide should all meet in washington and just stand there and protest until we get our rights back im with him but that would never happen because people dont think like us out there in the world ,,,any new solutions?????lol,,,,,,,,,jgibbs

    • jim

      that was me GIBBS we should pick a day and all of us 1 million strong should camp out on the white house lawn till they doo something

  • http://avo c

    Lawful for ex offenders to attend gunshows? Any statues?

  • http://avo c
  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    there might be hope yet,,,we need people like daren bakst,,jim traficant,,ron paul.CHECK THIS OUT GUYS :http://johnlocke.org/press_releases/20091021503.html

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    johnlocke.org

  • c

    I agree arms is a right not a freaken priviledge unlike driving!

    WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS IS AN RIGHT GIVEN BY GOD and our founding fathers who shed blood to give us everything that we have today. It's very frustrating to look at the reality of our country and the way it is heading.

  • Varg

    I'm still here, just really buried with work right now. I agree with LAG, that is why I am working on the research project I am proposing for grant assistance. The purpose of the research is to:1)Highlight the negative social consequences of lifetime exclusion laws and the lack of statistical support for them;2)accurately survey public opinion without the demonization that usually accompanies surveys about felons and civil rights; and 3)produce the valid and reliable statistical data to support the above.

    I believe these are necessary steps in giving all of us something strong to fight our individual cases on, as well as to lobby the public and elected officials.

    Also, I am still preparing my individual lawsuit based on my specific circumstances as well.

    So goes it.

    Varg

  • c

    Glad to hear that you're still with us

  • melissa h

    i was 18 years old when i worte $533 in bad checks in florida. i was living on the streets and did this to survive. i was 22 when i was convivted of a felony for writting those checks , they said it was " grand theft" even though they were MY checks. i now live in west virginia i am 32 years old and have never gotten in trouble again. i was allowed to leave florida and serve my 5 years probation here in wv, i did so and was released early due to good behavior. i have never been to prison was in a county jail for 2 weeks before making bail yet i am a danger and should not be allowed the right to pretect my daughter if someone breaks in on us! my husband is a correctional officer who has many enimes comes with the job so if one of the "violent" criminals is allowed out on bail ( which happens here alot) and decides to get even what am i supposed to do????

    • ThePatriot

      please share your story with your local rep, and send this to as many people as you can….

      This bill will restore second amendment rights for non violent felons… something long overdue contact your local rep and ask them to support it. There a link on the page for you to contact your congressman..
      take care all lets hope this one passes
      http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    THIS IS TO VARG AND LEARN ABOUT GUNS:I just recieved my letter in the mail from the North Carolina Office Of Executive clemency and he went through the letter telling me i had to get all the court records,indictments,warrant copies of the crimes,tell them reasons why i should be awarded executive clemency,.They said it would be thouroughly examined,I mean gosh guys!!!!this is what ive been talking about can't they see after the crimes:ive been working,haven't been in the first bit of trouble,gave my life to jesus christ,go to church,,am loyal to my fellow brethern,and it still feels like im a caged animal and am not worth nothing!!!!What hope do we have?Where will the line end that STATES ENOUGH?NOW THIS IS GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER MONTH OR LONGER GETTING ALL THIS TOGETHER,,,IS THIS WHAT PARDONS ARE ABOUT?IS IT THIS TIME CONSUMING?HELP ME OUT GUYS,WHAT WOULD I DO WITHOUT YOU GUYS?YOU GUYS ARE MY FRIENDS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS,,,,,,,,JGIBBS

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  • Jesse W. Benson

    Hello all. I am ready and willing to join this fight for our rights to the second admendment. I am a convicted felon the possession of controlled substance (cocaine) less than 1 gram. I love how they found a bag under my seat in my truck that had just enough for a field test but not enough for a lab test and it gets generalized to a felony conviction. Then i listen to my idiot lawyer who says not to fight it because the DA is offering a plee bargain of a defered conviction. Judge denied plee bargain and was given 5 years probation, a hefty fine, and 360 hrs community service. While it has only been a year since i finished all of my probation. I want to help fight this now. When enough time has passed, I want this right to be available to me. Give me/us something to look forward to. Please. Give me/us a reason to continue to be a good patriot. I screwed up. I admit it. Ive cleaned up and HAVE PAID my debt to society. Why am I still being punished by being denied the ability to go hunting with my dad. The one thing we have done together since I was 8 yrs old. I would like to continue that bond with him while he is still with me on this earth.

  • http://w c

    We welcome you. Keep it coming with the articles guys

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    hello jesse welcome aboard,,yeah im also a convicted felon and were all trying to get our rights back,,Thats exactly what its going to take is all of us pulling together on our 2nd ammendment rights and convincing the government why it is legit and and alright for x/felons to be rearmed again.We are all in the same boat my friend,,where are you from?How long has it been since ur felony?Have you tried filing for a pardon?keep your comments rolling and keep fighting with us.Thank you my friend,keep in touch…..jgibbs

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    KEEP FIGHTING WE ARE ONE DAY CLOSER EVERYDAY,,,WE HAVE GOT TO CONVINCE WASHINGTON SOMEHOW GUYS THAT WE DESERVE OUR GUN RIGHTS BACK,,,HOW DO WE DO IT?

  • Rob. M.

    Hi, I live in CA and am recently married. My wife can't own firearms due past felonies for drugs and theft about 6 years ago. I however have a clean record and would like to own a firearm. What are the laws for me having a firearm in my house if my spouse can't have a firearm?

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com LearnAboutGuns.com

    Rob. M.,

    As an attorney, I would urge you not to rely upon the internet for legal advice, for the reasons discussed here: http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2009/11/06/a-quick-

  • Rob. M.

    Is there a way to get this info without getting a lawyer?

  • http://dadf c

    <a href="http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:Wdiin5YYWZgJ :www.sentencingproject.org/pdfs/rights-restoration/Texas.pdf+texas+felony+rights+restored&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2″ target=”_blank”>http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:Wdiin5YYWZgJ …” target=”_blank”>:www.sentencingproject.org/pdfs/rights-restoration/Texas.pdf+texas+felony+rights+restored&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2

    any clue on this one guys

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  • Varg

    Glad to see others coming in. We will get something going, just hang in there.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    thats right hang in there!!!

  • c
  • Lindsay Nelson

    My husband, was arrestly fasley in defense of me, his wife, and property,a small business company home based gardening business with customers coming to our place of residence, I might add!. Kids with already offences on their records violated my property one night.I his wife, was a witness several times for the police and we are well known for fighting Atv's. dispite a record, because my husband defended us with a Hunting Rifel, even though those gang of kids where in a gang,……. going out of their way stopping, looking for trouble and starting trouble infront of my house Tresspassing on my property that is surrounded by cutting flowers for my cancer customers. My husband has had no arrests, or anything on his record, intill that night. The officers did not arrive till 20 minutes later, by then only 2 kids where left infront of my house still arguing, and makeing threats. Well, the cop arrives and he officer Slattery, of Bristol Twp. was a complete asshole! the kids lied to him and he feel for it dispite our history of us being witnesses, and the amount of reprisals from the trash in my neghborhood. I will not be forced to leave and I feel our rights have been violated by Judge Finley of Doylestown and Wimps who live in Bristol Twp who think we have no rights!. Now my husband wants to hunt, and he has a possible lifetime ban. In addition, they want Craig to pay to have his record exponged on a crime, about self deffense just so that lawyers make money. Records need to be automatically exponged,when done serving a sentance. Our government is over stepping its powers in this state and it is a sad day in history, especially for those who have to deal with crime everyday in their neghborhood. I witness American flags being turned upside down on New Falls road after 9/11. I have delt with Thugs and Villiny in my neighborhood, I live on a drive in my neghborhood, I have a Public street infront of my house, I live infront of a creek with Naked Bumbs in it etc..The cops cannot be trusted! My husband is my hero! I was Christmas shopping and an Arab followed me home because he was angry over the way I drived, but we have no right to defence?

    Stop subjigateing our rights, we damn well have a right,.there is no but in the right to bear Arms period! Open back up the Nut Hatches in stead of selling off our rights as free americans living in a free society! I think our Justice department needs massive firings, and deflation asap. The abuse is abundant, there should be no lifetime sentences for "minor offences" or how about the political motovated arrests?

  • http://w c

    God bless you and craig!

  • Daniel Froid

    God forgives the feds don't seems to be the topic I was convicted 41 years ago and it was supposed to be sealed once I turned 21 well guess what it didn't I have never had a violent act and was involved with the wrong kids at the wrong time in my life I was 16 and on my own should this be the right to remove your gun rights for life ? criminals everyday carry weapons I have been clean for 41 years my 18 year old daughter wants to hunting and wants me to teach her i believe in family values and trying to teach them the right things from the start should a non violent crime 41 years ago still be used for deny me the rights to own a firearm that my for fathers made it a point to demand the right for every citizen to have a gun be guaranteed. not everyone remains a criminal ans a lot of people do change > I have went threw the state courts and had my rights restored and now have a weapons permit in my state but of course our feds still say no is there a way to petition the federal courts to get your rights restored? i want to do it legally I don't want to be a criminal but the way the feds look at it you are always a criminal and it will never change any help would be appreciated dan

  • http://w c

    Welcome aboard dan. Stick around guys

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    yeah welcome aboard daniel and lindsay,,,you guys hang in there, we all need to come together ,,(every felon) and march down main street of washington and speak our mind and take a stand and fight for our rights and let them all know we mean business and want our rights back!!!!We are human beings that have heart (something they havent got!!!)We are not caged animals like they think we are,,,I would love to see their rights stripped !!!!!………..jgibbs

  • Thomas K

    Folks, the legislation that I am about to discuss only applies to those convicted of a Federal Felony. However, if this legislation, in modified form, gets passed into law it may well offer additional options to all.

    The legislation that I reference is H.R. 1529 the “Second Chance for Ex-Offenders Act of 2009” This bill has a long and storied history which I won't go into here. If interested you may find the complete history and more information through several sources which I will list later.

    The short version is that this legislation will allow certain first time non-violent ex-offenders to make application to have their record expunged. While many states already allow this for state charges, there is nothing available at the federal level. Not even a Presidential Pardon will clear a felony from the record. Under current law and policy, a felony conviction, along with all of the collateral consequences, is forever.

    I mentioned a modified form of the legislation. In current form, while the record is expunged, part of the record may still be seen if application is made to purchase a firearm. The modified version of the bill would provide not only expunction but something very similar to pre-trial diversion which would completely seal/expunge the record. Passage of this legislation for federal offences would, IMHO, open the door to consideration of restoration of firearms ownership rights for all non-violent ex-offenders. Especially in light of the "Heller" decision by the Supreme Court.

    It is also worthy of note that requests to the NRA, by activist supporting H.R. 1529, for support of the legislation have been rebuffed.

    Following are links to sites offering information and opportunities to support H.R. 1529:

    http://tiny.cc/fRInb (Change.org) http://bit.ly/46kfjm (The Slammer.org Commentary)

    http://tiny.cc/RZjcg (Petition2Congress)

    http://tiny.cc/wdft7 (We Deserve Our Lives Back)

    http://bit.ly/maGAf (Yahoo Support Group)

  • Daniel Froid

    Gibbs I agree I wish to do one any harm and being clean for 41 years should speak loud and clear but unfortunately that just doesn't seem possible right now I am doing everything that I can to get my case reviewed by the ATF and hope that someday i may be successful. I have received my rights back threw the State and feel they thought I should be able to own a firearm . but the feds are the ones with the power to do it and of course that is where I must focus and win I will keep you posted on any good news Dan

  • c

    unite is power peoples!

  • http://w c

    To be honest what is the definition of non violent?

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    thank you daniel and just stay tough and keep active with us in this room ok? thomas k thank you for the information also.Does that mean the ones with a state charge will have a chance? What kind of bill is it that could be passed and what does it have to do with our 2nd ammendment constitutional rights? iam already trying to get my pardon sent in for executive clemency hope and pray to GOD that works,,,everybody keep in touch and merry christmas to all,,,keep fighting for our 2nd ammendment rights it is our right…….jgibbs

  • Varg

    HR 1529 DOES NOT restore 2nd Amendment rights. It is a good piece of legislation as it works to further allow felons a second chance, but all it will do is seal conviction records from PRIVATE SECTOR, even with the modifications to the bill. That means, any law enforcement, prosecutor, or court will still see your conviction record. What it will do is allow you to apply for jobs that would not hire felons because any non-law enforcement would not be able to see your conviction record.

    However, if you look at Section 3635 Disclosure of expungement records, it clearly states that any office or agency that issues firearms licenses WILL be able to see your conviction. That means you are still under a disability.

    If they strike that in the modified version, the BATF still does not consider any expungement or sealing of records a “restoration of civil rights”.

    The bottom line is this: for State offenses, you must have the rights to vote, sit on a jury, and hold public office restored, AND must have firearms ownership restored WITHOUT limitations on ownership (meaning it can’t say you can’t own handguns, dangerous ordnance, whatever). Has to be complete unlimited restoration.

    Nonetheless, this is a good piece of legislation as it will allow felons who qualify, especially federal felons, to be able to pursue jobs that they would not otherwise be able get due to felony convictions.It will also serve to soften things up for full restoration of felons someday perhaps.

  • jim

    the only people that should have their gun rights taken away are repeat offenders and people that are violent offenders that use wepons in crimes

  • http://w c

    Try to find whatever ex offender forums/ sites and try to have them ride with us.

  • jim

    the feds non’t have any right to take away your gun rights,the reason they do it is because no one fights them if they had a million felons sitting on their lawn at the white house they would say these guys are not too happy,i think its time to do something. when was the last time you heard of a cop keeping someone from being killed in a drive by or a robbery their never there untill after the fact, if their not there to protect you then who will.it would better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. so when are we going to visit the white house.

  • jim

    Hay Gibbs whats up you still hangin in there i see there a few more brothers signing in we just got get some more people and go on a vacation, go on a white house tour

  • jim

    untill they hear from us and see that we are no threat to the public then nothing is going to happen

  • jim

    sorry for the spelling i was in a hurry

  • T

    since 1968 our rights are a privilege now. what is the point of the constitution if they(AKA government) do not follow it. I had to learn all about it in school and how important it is. if somone uses a gun to kill it is bad, unless "they" say it is ok. well i use to use guns to hunt and target practice. now since i got into a fight 15 years ago when i was 18, i can no longer do any of that. i cant be trusted ever again with firearms. i never went to prison and have only been to jail a total of about 24 hours. why do people get parolled, cause they are reformed? they no longer pose a threat to society? over crowded? i think it is rediculous to punish somone forever. if you screw up you are a half citezen for life. even when you complete everything they want. there are alot of people who have turned their life around and now cant get jobs, cant run for any political office, cant hunt with guns, vote, list goes on. its almost 2010, its time to change some things that were set decades ago when the world was a very different place.

  • http://w c

    Well said t.

  • http://jammer28nc james a.gibbs

    im still her jim,,welcome back buddy!!!keep in touch.welcome aboard T.YOU SAID IT CORRECTLY AND TRUTHFULLY.THANK YOU LETS KEEP FIGHTING GUYS………jgibbs

  • c

    I wonder will we be able to see the change in our life time…

  • jim

    so now its a privilrge to save your family's life if you have to.

  • http://w c

    Yeah, unfortunately that's the way the "law" is written. What a joke..

  • http://jammer28nc james a.gibbs

    im just wandering if they(washington)will ever have compassion upon us all that have proved theirselves over and over ,time and time again and give us a chance and grant our rights back at least once?….merry christmas everybody

  • c

    everyone gave up?

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    no way c ,,,will i ever give up fighting for my gun rights or the gun rights of other felons that has proved theirselves over and over!!!!!! jgibbs

  • Varg

    I’m still here. Just a long hard fight and I don’t see the point in talking about the same stuff over and over. Still working on everything, as usual.

  • c

    glad to hear guys.

  • http://loso Larry

    im 27 been out of prison for 7 years now without any trouble of any kind.two mexicans tried to break in my house on saturday and bacause i have a felony i have no way possible to protect my family.the police say theres nothing they can do.so we have no alternative to break the law and risk our freedom.its non sense we are still paying for things we did in our past.we have nobody to protect our families or ourselves.

    • Harry J Reeves

      Larry, next time you are attacked by Hispanics just throw scalding hot water on their feet and they will turn into Mexican jumping beans and bounce right out of your house. Their must be someone in your family that is not a convicted felon, have them buy a gun and learn to use it.

      • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.c

        Harry,

        Your racist remarks do the gun rights cause a disservice. Might I suggest that you try and stick to the relevant issues, rather thank making unnecessary and inflammatory remarks?

        • Harry J Reeves

          Author, do you actually known the funk an wagnal definition of racist ? I am a racist and so are you. What you mean to call me is a bigot. I am not one but who cares. The first amendment says freedom of speech but you say other wise, in fact you say a lot of things that don't make good sense. Having lived off and on in Mexico for a few years I thought my comment was kind of funny. I guess it is not politically correct to talk about Mexican jumping beans I had some when I was a kid and I thought they were great. Why do I get the feeling that you take yourself too seriously and might be slightly wet behind the ears. Don't fret, time will take care of most of these problems. I am your virtual friend in spite of yourself. My nick name is Hicus Dicus and I am pleased to make your acquaintance.

          • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.c

            Harry,

            I'd rather not get into a semantics debate on bigotry versus racism, since doing so would just be a waste of time. My point is that there is a widespread myth (propagated by anti gun groups) that gun owners are all racist idiots. Obviously this isn't true, and I believe we gun owners should do our best to help dispel that myth. Your comments about "Mexican jumping beans" added nothing to the discussion, and only gave the anti gun crowd more cannon fodder.

            As far as free speech: As I noted in an earlier comment on this page, the 1st Amendment (sometimes) stops the government from blocking speech in public on on your own property. The 1st Amendment doesn't prevent a private individual (such as myself) from censoring speech on his private property (this website). In other words, you have absolutely no right to free speech on this website, and I could censor comments to whatever extent I wish.

            That said, I don't wish to censor speech (which is why I didn't block or edit your comment).

            Anyway, as one gun owner to another, let me say that it is i pleasure to make your acquaintance too, and that I look forward to more comments from you in the future :)

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.c

    Everyone,

    I must say that I am amazed how you've all come together in the comments section on this page.

    However I get the feeling that the comments section on this page isn't the idea place to coordinate your gun rights efforts. That is because the comment feature on this page lacks a lot of useful things, such as private messages and other communication tools, which seem like they would come in handy. Also, since I have to manually approve each comment on LearnAboutGuns.com, there is a delay between when you post a comment and when it appears on this page. I've thought about this for a while, and reached the conclusion that I should set up some better means of communication for you (and the other visitors to this website).

    So, I've created a "Gun Rights for Convicted Felons?" group on a new website of mine, called MyGunSpot.com. To join, just do the following:

    1. Register for an account here: http://mygunspot.com/register
    2. You’ll be sent a confirmation email a few seconds after you register. Click the link in that email to activate your account.

    3. Go to this page to log in and join the group: http://mygunspot.com/groups/gun-rights-for-convic

    Please note that I am in no way trying to stop you from posting on this page. Rather, I just thought that my new website would work better. If you prefer this website and don't wish to use the new one, then you're free to continue here. You're also free to use both websites.

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    thank you learn about guns i will give that a try ok? hey everybody are you coming over?lets keep this thing rolling and fight ,fight fight!!!!!!

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    learn about guns it will not let me in there!!!It says i have a invalid password,,,however i like your post in there and how that website is set up for us.Thank you sincerely for caring and helping us.ANY SUGGESTIONS HOW I CAN GET SET UP IN THERE?…..jgibbs

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.c

    James,

    First, register for an account here: http://mygunspot.com/register

    Then, you'll be sent a confirmation email. You have to click the link in that email to activate your account.

    Finally, go to this page to log in and join the group:
    http://mygunspot.com/groups/gun-rights-for-convic

    Let me know if you have any problems now.

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    thank you learn about guns

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    I LIKE THAT WEBSITE LEARN ABOUT GUNS,,EVERYTHINGS OK WITH THE SIGNING IN NOW

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    hey c,larry,varg,jim,guys:ARE YOU COMING TO THE NEW WEBSITE LEARN ABOUT GUNS HAS PREPARED FOR US?I'VE GOT MY BLOGS ON IT RIGHT NOW.IT IS A REALLY GOOD WEBSITE HE HAS PREPARED FOR ALL OF US AND THERE ARE ALREADY PEOPLE GOING INTO THAT WEBSITE,,,,,COME ON GUYS,,,,JGIBBS

  • c

    my brother fuckin just got robed again this time at gun point.

  • c

    has this been used in an arguement? why can't our family members carry a firearm if they've never had encounters with the law?

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    sorry about that c,,Is he ok?where did that take place?are you guys coming to the other website learn about guns has provided for all of us?hes got it posted on (column 253)HAPPY NEW YEAR GUYS!!!!PLEASE KEEP POSTING COMMENTS IN HERE AND FIGHTING FOR OUR 2ND AMMENDMENT RIGHTS ,,,THATS THE MOST IMPORTANT RIGHT THERE ,,,,TAKE CARE AND GOD BLESS…JGIBBS

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    LEARN ABOUT GUNS:IAM SO SORRY BUT I MIGHT LEAVE THE OTHER WEBSITE ,,FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT I CANT RELATE TO THE OTHER GUYS IN THERE,,I KNOW I CAN WITH YOU BUT I'VE LOOKED ON ALL THEIR PROFILES AND NONE OF THEM ARE FELONS AND THEY ARE SO HAPPY AND GOING ABOUT TALKING "HOW MANY GUNS THEY HAVE" AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING .I just want to get to that point where i can relate to people with firearms,,,DID I READ YOUR FORUM CORRECTLY IN 253 WHEN YOU STATED THERE WAS OTHER FELONS IN THERE OR DID I JUST MIS-INTERPRET IT WRONG ALL THE WAY AROUND?NOT TRYING TO COMPLAIN BY NO MEANS LEARN ABOUT GUNS DONT GET ME WRONG HERE,,YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT GOOD TO SUPPORT PEOPLE WITH SITUATIONS LIKE MINE AND OTHERS AND I APPRECIATE IT OK?….GIBBS…..

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.c

    James,

    You're free to use or not use any website, and I certainly won't take it personally.

    In comment #253 I stated that I had created a new website, and added a group within that website to further the discussion which was occurring on this page. I didn't mean to imply that users of that website as a whole were convicted felons seeking gun rights, anymore than users of LearnAboutGuns.com are mainly convicted felons seeking gun rights.

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    i understand completely,,,i may keep my profile ok?because for the simple fact no one in there yet has offended me in anyway so therefore,,,,EVERYTHING IS ALL GOOD LEARN ABOUT GUNS…THANK YOU VERY MUCH….GIBBS

  • c

    they took everything off his unharmed thank the lord.

  • jim

    whats the new website

  • http://w c

    Would that qualify as possession of dangerous weapon by ex offender?

  • http://w c

    I'd go with a black powder non replica pre 1898 if your local laws permit it.

  • jim

    if i was to go out and use it in a crime then it could be viewed as a dangerous wepon if i get stopped and they say anything i just say i am taking it to my boat i guess they could charge me but i don't think it would stick.i think its better than a cross bow

  • jim

    i don't know C its such fine line its hard to say it largely depends if you piss off the cop or not. i havent even had a parking ticket in 20 years and have a safe drivers license that i don't think they check any farther than if my license is valid i think where people get in trouble is when they get stopped they have either a unpaid ticket or their license js suspended or the cop smells weed and then they start digging

  • jim

    hay guys did you ever think about getting a 12 ga flair pistol for a boat its not really a gun but i was on my boat and was looking at it and thought this thing would could do a lot of damage to someone and i ask a cop friend of mine would this be legal and he said he never much thought about it i know i wouldn’t want to mess with anybody pointing one of these at me.i have had it on my seat and been stoped and and the cop just said you better hope that doesn’t go off in your truck

  • http://w c

    I see where your comming from but I thought simple possession of the object is unlawful already and I agree they need probably cause for the in depth search or else it is an illegal search/ seizure hence, anything that was collected as evidence will be inadmissible in the court of law because the procedure is which the evidence was illegal in the first place.

  • jim

    a gallon of gas is an explosive but you can carry that around

  • c

    can we carry a black pistol non replica or is that unlawful?

    could someone shed some light.

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    C are you and jim coming to the new website or what? Look on column 253 and learn about guns has gave directions on the new website ok? I sent off for my pardon to be reviewed in North Carolina so :PLEASE KEEP ME IN PRAYERS THAT IT WILL TURN OUT OK PLEASE.who knows i may be turned down,,,hope not but thats my luck,,,,,lol.Maybe this will be the year that new GUN LAWS WILL COME ABOUT IN OUR FAVOR…GIBBS……

  • jim

    Gibbs there is nothing there for us, all i read is how much fun these guys are having shooting their guns. and what kinds they have, what are we going to tell them we have pee shooters. HAHAHA happy new year

  • jim

    is everybody a member of NRA, if obama and his bunch of sisseys have their way none of us could get our guns back. the nra is our voice in washington

  • Ray

    Well folks, I hear what yer saying and I agree with many of your posts. But this is my take on the subject of gun ownership by felons. If you are not violent,and you have not taken away the ultimate right of anther human being by taking his life (unjustifiably), then you have a Constitutional right to own a firearm. The government is the one who is breaking the law by denying you the right to own (Constitutionally) protected weapons,and that makes the government the felons. So, there are millions of law abiding felons who are illegally, (according to the Constitution),being denied their right to own a firearm, therefore, you have to decide for yourselves whether or not you are going to allow this $hit to continue. There are 278 posts here besides mine. Have any of you ever heard of a class action lawsuit against the Government? (Or you can all just sit here and whine about it). As for me, I am not a Felon and I love all of my assault rifles, Pistols and Shotguns. You need to stop whining and get off yer a$$e$ and take back your rights.
    :)

  • Ray

    One other thing folks. The U,S government has been murdering innocent civilians all over the world for decades now by starting illegal wars with sovereign nations. It's time that people start getting f$#%king irate at these self righteous pricks running this socialist, Liberal government. And my final comment is this. If any of the people here doing the whining just happen to be a member of the Liberal left….You do not deserve to own a firearm. You deserve to be controlled by the socialist government that you created.

  • Ray

    And one other thing. Why the hell is my FREE SPEECH COMMENT AWAITING MODERATION? Is the moderator of this sight one of those socialist pricks who fails to adhere to the Constitution and the right of free speech?

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.c

    Ray,

    Regarding your statements in comment #281:

    As an attorney at law, let me assure you that you have no right to "free speech" on this website. The 1st Amendment applies against the government, not private citizens such as myself. It also applies on public property, rather than private property (my web server). That means that I could censor or delete comments at will, and you would have no recourse.

    However, I *choose* not to delete/censor comments, because I believe in the value of exchanging ideas without censorship. The reason that all comments are held for moderation is so that I can delete spam and redact profanity. I delete spam because I don't want to have my website overwhelmed by people spamming it with viagra ads. I also redact profanity from comments because I don't want to give internet filtering companies an excuse to blacklist my website, which would prevent many people at school/work from accessing it. Other than that, I don't censor/delete comments, and am actually quite happy to have dissenting viewpoints.

  • Gary

    Well Hey James, long time no chat, I see your are still giving them hell, I take it you have not received your pardon yet, well your are not alone, it's been one year for me and I'm about ready to give up. If the goverment has their way about no one will be able to own a firearm legally. Have you ever seen the video that was sent out to all members of the NRA, it showed where the goverment of other countries confiscated and destroyed firearms from lawful citizens, they ran over them with tanks, burned them and melted them down. We may not see it in our lifetime but it's coming. Maybe this november we can vote some of those peckerheads out of congress and senate, who knows maybe it will help.

    Gary

    • Harry J Reeves

      They are not really countries, they are third world gang Bangers who rule with impunity. They only destroyed the gun that weren't any good, they sold the rest.

  • jim

    RAY your the MAN, well said ,

  • jim

    I also agree with learnabout guns, thanks for this website

  • jim

    Gibbs , where the hell are ya.

  • jim

    Gibbs did you get your pardon and now you don't need us anymore

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    hey gary and jim and guys,,,im still here lol!!!! thank you for caring anyway. jim,, No i havent recieved my pardon,just got it sent to them.I called yesterday and the guy at the executive clemency office in Raliegh said" that he recieved my package and have not looked in to it yet,,he said that they have to do a criminal background check investigation,,He said it is rotine,,,What is that all about? I thought we were already criminals,,,,lol,,,Thats the way were treated anyway.BUT GUYS I DON'T LOOK TO GET IT ANYWAY OK?WHAT WOULD BE THE COLD CHANCE OF THAT?MY LUCK WOULD NEVER BE THAT GOOD!!!AND I WILL ALWAYS BE YOU GUYS FRIENDS OK? WHATS UP GARY ?WELCOME BACK MY FRIEND,,,,,TAKE CARE GUYS,,,C,,,WHERE THE HECK ARE YOU AT??//….LATER GUYS….GIBBS

  • http://facebook stephen d. neel

    i have recieved papers by governer restoring my right to vote .i am handicaped and would like to know how to go about owning a gun.non violent crime,i need gun for safety, ime in a wheelchair ,but get out and about.anyone in same predicamat,please let me know. steve.neel@cox.net

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.c

    In my comment #282, I mentioned that there is no "free speech" *right* on a private website such as this, but that I value free speech and therefore only moderate comments to block spam and redact profanity. Sadly, I now have a 3rd category of things for which I moderate comments:

    For the first time in the nearly 2 years I've run this website, I've now deleted a comment that wasn't spam. That comment was posted by a regular user of this "Gun rights for convicted felons?" page, and in the comment he recommended that another person here violate multiple laws by illegally purchasing a gun, illegally carrying that gun, and illegally possessing a gun after being convicted of a felony.

    I deleted that comment because I don't want to see my gun website used to advocate for violations of the law. Allowing that would harm the gun right cause, and could lead to my website being blacklisted by the website filters used by schools/libraries/workplaces. Given the investment I've made in this website, that is not something I'm willing to allow. Furthermore, as an attorney at law, I have an ethical duty to avoid helping people violate the law. I could lose my law license where I to assist others in their efforts to break the law (such as allowing that comment to be posted on my website).

    Please think before you post, and please don't make me have to address a problem like this again. This is now the 2nd time I've had to leave a message like this (the first being in response to the spam advocacy I discussed in comment #118).

  • jim

    whats this guy going to do,he is helpless to defend himself. he is not like me i can run what i told him was cold hard facts of life. i would rather take my chances on a jury than be helplessin 282 you said you like to here differnt stories/ideas without censorship,i guess not.i guess i your were in a wheelchair you would just let them kill ya right

  • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.com Author

    Jim,

    I (obviously) have sympathy for those who are denied the right to have a gun for self defense, otherwise I wouldn’t have created this website and spent all that the time/money over the last 2 years fighting for gun rights. I also have no problem with dissenting viewpoint, as you can see from the debates I’ve had with anti gun people such as Bill Dwyer on this website.

    However, neither of those points are at issue. The real point is that I won’t have you encouraging people to go commit crime here, since such comments will reflect negatively on my website and lead to it being blocked. I don’t wish to see all my hard work affected because of you.

    As a convicted felon who wants his gun rights back, don’t you think it would be wise for you to demonstrate your newfound respect for the law, rather then encouraging others to break the law? You’re certainly not helping your cause here.

    Regardless, if you feel so strongly about recommending that people violate the law, then you can do so on you own website, or through a private medium of communication (e.g. email). – Just not on my website.

    If you can’t understand this, and manage to stop encouraging others to violate the law or send spam on this website, then I may have to consider banning you and/or closing the comments on this page. I would rather not do that, but I will gladly ban you and close these comments before I see harm come to the website which I have spend so much effort creating.

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    what is going on in here?lol,,were supposed to be fighting for our 2nd ammendment rights back,, not fighting against one another,,,lets get along and fight for our gun rights back guys!!!!…..gibbs….

  • jim

    Gibbs were not going to get our gun rights back untill we find a website with a whole bunch of us and someone that is legal enough to bring a class action suit against the government. some place where we can all pay a fee as a large group for counsel

  • richard

    I just found this site and I promise to support,defend, and protect it. I thought I was the only felon who felt discarded by society. I am a former police officer who made a mistake ( non-violent) and have had my life destroyed. If nothing else comes from this site it is giving me the courage to fight for what we all should have. God love you and bless each and every one on this site!

    • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

      what did you get charged for?

      • richard

        Hello James, I was charged with attempted bribe receiving in the 2nd degree. It had nothing to do with my police duties I was already retired. I found this site and you are doing a great service to people who made a mistake. During my years as a police officer I learned about felons who should not be allowed to carry a tooth pick, and there were others that I hated to arrest. In other words there are good and bad people on this earth. A lifetime loss of civil rights in some cases is cruel and unusual punishment. God bless you and yours.
        Rich

        • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

          GOD BLESS YOU TO BROTHER,,,HANG IN THERE!!!

        • jim

          hay Richard i don't see how they could take your gun rights away when you were a cop for all those years, what about all the people you cought breaking the law that were sent to prison they could get out and come gunning for you. how are you to protect yourself

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    thanks richard,GOD bless you also! i just cant figure out why they want to take our gun rights away forever especially when people didnt use a gun in their crimes.Just dont make sense………gibbs

  • J. Hilton

    I am a convicted felon, I was arrested the day before I turned 18, and sentenced soon after. I was charged with a m/m that carried a mandatory jail sentence, but on advice from court appointed council, I plead to a “supposed” lesser felony. I am now thirty two years old and recently had my house broken into. I was home with my wife at the time, and the intruder took off when they realized we were home. When the police came, I was told I had no right to have a gun because of my felony. I asked the officer “Then how am I going to protect my home when they don’t run?” His response was call us back. Now, I know it only took them 45 minutes to get to me!!!!!!! How is this right? You can’t win. If I had an illegal gun and protected my family it’s a crime, or run the risk of god knows what. Something has got to be done, and I am willing to fight for it if need be. Somebody point me to the front lines, this is not right.

    • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

      did they charge you for having a gun in your possession or just warn you?where are you from?

      • J. Hilton

        No gun, except for the cop’s,it was intent to sell weed originally. I had no drugs at the time of arrest, nor in the search of my home. Was just playing a go between for a friend, and he set me up. As far as my locale I’m in Greenville NC.

        • J. Hilton

          I now live in Wilmington NC if that makes a difference.

          • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

            i mean you said you had a gun in your house and you were a felon ,,,How did they treat that is what i was asking?

          • J. Hilton

            No I didn’t have a gun at the time, I told the officer that came that I would be purchasing one the next day. That is when he told me I had no right to own a gun, and my only defense was to call the police. I was very lucky that we were down stairs and my bat was handy. I got one good swing before the guy took off, but if he was packing a gun, I’d probably be dead.

        • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

          i understand,,but if you had a gun they would have just warned you the first time anyway wouldnt they? i mean some people just dont really know even though they are a felon that they cant possess a gun in their home so if the first time they had one wouldnt the cops give them a fair warning maybe?

    • Harry J Reeves

      Your wife can own a gun and keep it in her home you just can't touch it. The gun that is, not her.I could be wrong but just go ahead and check with a qualified lawyer.

  • Diana

    OK, this is probably a dumb question, but I am not an attorney (and I’ve never played one on TV) – is this a law that has to be changed at the national level or can states make their own rules regarding this? I agree with you than non-violent felons should have the right to defend themselves.

  • J. Hilton

    The LearnAboutGuns.com Author, I appreciate you walking the thin line. As some one who is trying to get not just mine but all cases looked at for that second chance we all hope for. I would not want to make another careless mistake by buying and owning an illegal weapon. That only adds to the problem, for everyone in our position. If this site is going to accomplish what we are here for, it will have to be the legal way, or it will never happen. I am all for protection of family and property, just look at my above post. But adding to the statistics that keep us without guns, hurts us all. My opinions may not be liked by all, or any, but “I” think to resolve a legal problem you have to do it legally. J

  • Varg

    How many of you have recieved a State restoration of firearms rights? Even if it is a partial restoration.

  • Charlie

    I have a 45 year old felony. My Michigan firearms rights have been restored under Michigan Statute by the Local CCW board. The BATF has disallowed this restoration based on an Open Letter referencing Caron which is totally inaccurate. During the past three years, I have had numerous communications with my congressman, an attorney and the BATF with no success.

    I am looking for other persons in Michigan who have similar circumstances that would be interested in joining in a class action suit to regain their Federal Firearms Rights.

    You can contact me at cskitchell@aol.com

    • Harry J Reeves

      The BATF and the DEA are the two most anti American institutions in this country. Many years ago I worked for a year and a half as a paid undercover informant to bring down at that time the countries largest meth labs which involved operations in three different states. When it was all over I was so disillusioned with their means of operation that I would not take their money. That was over 40 years ago and I still feel the same way. I also think that anyone jailed for pot alone should be released and compensated for their time served and I don't smoke pot. I have also discovered that nobody cares what I think.

  • c

    we the people, shall start an online petition?

    • jim

      lets do it C

      • jazmen

        yea lets do it

        I just want to take my son hunting and i am not a bad person my stuff was done 10 years ago and no one has had no probs out of me not even a ticket

  • c

    cops = LOL

  • J. Hilton

    Also for those that are willing, I contacted a statistics company that is working on gun stats, and they are supposed to forward me, allot of stats on guns, felons, and the relations between them. I had a long conversation with him and he assured me that he would send any relevant data to our cause. Maybe with that and any other things we can put together as a group, we can get more supporters, and help this growing problem.

    • J. Hilton

      The only way we can help each other is to come together, and fight as a group. Alone we are nothing, but together we can be a force.

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    im with you j. hilton “lets keep this fight going ,the clean way and that is fight together”

  • c

    Is there anyway we could file a lawsuit on VOP and the Brady campaign? if so, cost and time frame?

    • jim

      how many people do we have here. if we have enough we could hire a lawyer in DC to fight for us

  • richard

    I wonder if the application I filed with New York state which is called a relief of civil disabilities, when approved, will it allow me to posses a pistol permit? Or will the BATF prevent my purchase?

  • jim

    hay guys whats up i see there have been more people joining.eventhough i am a felon my wife is not. we are married but she did not change her last name to mine,and she owns a 40 cal walther our house is in her name so its leagly hers. and last week i got her into a gun coarse and filled out all the papers for her to get a conceled carry permit so atleast i am protected till i can get my rights back

    • jim

      learnaboutguns do you see any issues that could cause any problems with anybody thats wife does not have a criminal histery

      • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.c
        • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

          hello learn about guns, this is jammer i think we have spoke before a few times in the past.IS THERE ANYWAY that we can conform all these comments into a get together speakout that will multiply more felons to come forth and speakout so we can be heard out there maybe to the right person that can help us all?my felonies are coming up on their 20th anniversary and im sick of seeing old cobwebs around my 2nd decade mistakes,,If they could only see that i will not get in any more trouble and give me a 2nd chance so i can hunt and protect my family! Iam almost 1st degree black belt but that dont mean anything when you are staring down the barrel of someone that is probably a felon in the first place!!any suggestions my friend?…gibbs…

  • J. Hilton

    Just checking in to say some of my research is starting to come in, I have about a GB of stuff to go through and am told that is about 4% of whats to come. Just give me some time and maybe we can make some progress.

  • John Edwards

    I am now off parole my charges are pcs and dcs. (possesion and delivery of controlled substance)I have no violent crimes or gun charges. I would like my gun rights back and not have to wait 15years. is it possible. I am in Oregon

  • Jac

    I'm a felon with a firearms charge, and I believe that we should still have a right to bear arms. If people wanted to commit crimes with a gun, they can still get an illegal one. Also I've paid my debt to society and should be able to still have my privileges of the amendment. That's just like saying I would lose my right to freedom of speech by verbally abusing someone.

    • jim

      what king of gun charge was it, the feds have to draw the line someware if you commit a crime with a gun then nobody should have there gun rights back. only non violent felons should have a right to get their guns rights back.

  • FED-UP

    The Second Amendment simply enumerates our natural right to keep and bear arms and prevents the legislature (state and fed) from lawfully infringing it. The amendment grants nothing but protection of that natural and unalienable right.

    ALL statutes that infringe the rights of free men (not incarcerated) are themselves criminal and anyone who disobeys God's law by passing and/or enforcing such statutes (infringing rights He bestowed) are equally criminal.

    Obedience of such unnatural and unlawful restrictions is also criminal (against God's Will, if not the will of some corrupt legislator), making any and ALL who obey them anything BUT "law-abiding."

    A man can serve only one master. Obey God. Not some other human.

  • c

    well said.

  • joshua ford

    i am a convicted federal felon, of the non violent variety. i have been wondering for years how to get my gun rights back. living in the sate of montana it is very depressing not being able to hunt with my friends and family! hunting for sport and food is as natural to us as breathing. i have not been able to find any information that is helpful regarding getting my rights back

    • FED-UP

      Stop waiting!

      God gave you the right to defend yourself and to feed your family. Would you let ME steal away those rights? So, why let some government shill steal them?

      – God provided the natural, unalienable, individual right.

      – The Second Amendment secures that right for ALL, without exception, from a government that would impose gun control.

      What more encouragement does a free man need?

      It takes courage to exercise your rights. Especially when the liberal world thinks "rights" are overrated.

      "It's dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."

      ABOLISH THE BATFE!!!

    • Gary

      Here is a website where you can fill out an application for a presidential pardon, you can also see a list of other people who have received pardons by different presidents, good luck, I have been waiting for 13 months and I have not heard a thing from them, but you gotta start somewhere. If you receive this pardon you may still have to get a pardon from the state as I most likely will in North Carolina. Here is the website for a presidential pardon: http://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardon_instructions

      Here is a paragraph from the North Carolina Firearms Laws:
      V. FELONY FIREARMS ACT
      Another aspect of North Carolina law necessary for a good working knowledge of
      firearms laws, is our Felony Firearms Act, found in N.C.G.S. § 14-415.1. This restriction
      on gun ownership applies to any person who has been convicted of any North Carolina
      felony or violation of criminal laws in other states, or the United States, which are
      punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one (1) year. Effective December 1,
      2004, these individuals cannot purchase, own, possess, or have in their custody, care, or
      control, any firearm at any location, or any weapon of mass death and destruction. This
      prohibition continues indefinitely. This prohibition does not apply, however, to “antique
      firearms” as set forth in Section II. B. of this publication.
      The Federal Firearms Statute, at 18 U.S.C. § 922, is independent of North Carolina’s
      and should be consulted before anyone convicted of a felony, in any state or federal court,
      possesses, receives or transports any firearm. For detailed information on this federal law,
      persons are urged to contact the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, or their local
      U.S. Attorney’s Office.

  • c

    Unfortunately, we are screwed for life because we ex offenders are considered to be the enemies of the state. I find it obscured.

  • c

    What I don't get is how come certain state offenders are allowed to regain their right to bear arms despite they're more violent than federal offenders.

  • FED-UP

    Once they take it, they will NEVER give it back.

    The BATFE has a program in place to restore the "privilege" of gun ownership to convicts, but the Brady Bill douchebags bitched and moaned so much that Congress de-funded the program back in the early 90s.

    The program exists [in name only] to preserve the idea of redemption, but with no funding, there isn't anyone available to even process an application.

    Governmental corruption aside, it's a sad state of affairs when a man would give up his family's safety in the name of blind obedience. Obedience, I might add, to a society that would just as soon grind you into compost as forgive you your trespasses.

    I guess "freedom" really IS just another word for "nothing left to lose."

  • c

    We gon shut them up if the brady campaign get their ass sued for violating the consitution

    • rich

      band together and start a class action suit

  • c

    We need a [unnecessary profanity redacted] lawyer whose an ex offender

  • jim

    thats what i been tellin ya. and a million man march on dc

  • c

    It is very challenging to try to round up 1 million heads unfortunately..

  • jim

    the blacks did it several years ago why can't all the felons do it. even if it was 10.000 it would let them know we were serious

  • FED-UP

    I believe Oprah would (if she heard the right stories and had the right faces to parade across her stage) do a better job of re-shaping public opinion [and therefore, political opinion] than a march on D.C. of any size.

    In this day and age, no one listens to the peaceful protester (look at anti-war in 2003). In most cases they are merely tolerated. In others, beaten, gassed and arrested. In ALL cases, video'd, photo'd and documented as "persons of interest" and referenced into local and federal facial recognition databases.

    It's a new day in the USA.

  • c

    Imo 1000 heads is more realistic

  • jim

    there is a 2nd amendment rally in DC. on april 19-2010 between 10:00 AM AN 4:00 PM IF A 1000 FELONS SHOWED UP THIS MIGHT BE OUR CHANCE TO BE HEARD

  • c

    Yes, but we will be apprehended right away because we are in constructive posessioning of a firearm/ ammunition. So to speak, they will most likely have their firearms on them.

    • jim

      but C if your talking to a cop on the street you are in constructive posession, your out in public at a public gathering you have every right to br there, i went to a skeet shooting event and a guy handed me a shot gun and said try it, i grabed it and started shooting what are ya gonna do hand the gun back and say sorry i am a felon in front all these hi falontin tycoons ya sometimes gotta take a chance

  • jim

    well you can keep talking about getting your rights, or you can do something about it this is our chance, i don"t think people will be packing unless they have permits

  • c

    http://www.vpc.org/studies/felons.htm

    how the hell is this related to a bad check or b/e?

  • c

    james join us brother.

  • c

    could one or some dismantle the unconstitutional brady campaign and the vop? apparently, they are doing the opposite of what our founding fathers had wanted us to follow.

  • c

    Honestly how many is actually going to show up?

  • D B

    I am with you guys. I am not even a felon, I got hit with a simple battery charge…that in itself says I can no longer purchase firearms……SIMPLE Battery….class 4 misdermeanor!!!

  • http://jammer28nc@yahoo.com james a gibbs

    hey guys i just dont really care no more,,iam done fighting bcause i come to the realization that we will not get our gun rights back so good luck to everybody take care and GOD BLESS,,,,

    • FED-UP

      Good for you!God gave you the right. Man can't just take it away unless you let him.

      "Live free or die!" And with private sales unregulated, you can live by that value if you choose.

      p.s. Their goal is to disarm everyone, by any means necessary. Once they convince a guy (and society by way of conviction by a de facto legal system) that his life isn't worth protecting, they will never let him think otherwise. But remember the posters hanging around any public school in the seventies and eighties… "I know I'm somebody 'cause God don't make junk."

      • jim

        aduios amegoes

        • jim

          see you in the consontration camps hope they don't gas us

          • FED-UP

            Why, in Hell, would you EVER let some jackboot take you to a concentration camp and gas you!?!

            If life means nothing more to a man than the air he breathes, his life is truly meaningless.

            Sack up and stop worrying about corruption and instead, let corruption worry about you.

            I would hate to think the "bad guys" that liberal gun-grabbers and "reasonable gun control" sell-outs always reference are the only ones left who understand their [unalienable (look it up) and Constitutionally GUARANTEED] rights and exercise them with confidence.

            They ("bad guys" and rational humans alike) clearly value their own lives and the lives of their "loved ones" more than the cowards who live in fear of standing before their earthly masters and defending the practice of self-preservation.

            Further, nothing in the Constitution allows for the fed OR states to infringe anyone's right to keep and bear arms. In fact, the Second Amendment clearly states that the right shall NOT be infringed and made NO provision for the cruel and unusual punishment of stripping a man of his rights for life… At least not without imprisoning him for life or putting him to death.

            Fear is the only thing that keeps a man from arming himself with the tools he needs to protect himself and those who depend upon him.

  • acedog

    luckily i live in idaho (we arenot liberal here)i know its easy to get my voting rights back just finish my time 1.5 years left. plenty of people have gotten gun rights and carry permits back as long as not violent crime . mine was not . i just hope nothing passes until 11/2011 cuz i want my rights back.i will get them back

  • deanna

    im a felon can i own a shot gun or can i have one in the house to protect my family cause my boyfriend is not a felon but my felon is not drugs or violent either

    • FED-UP

      Depends on what laws govern your life.

      The Constitution protects everyone's right to keep and bear arms by forbidding the government from infringing it; without exception.

      The government's statutes that forbid felon's their unalienable rights are unlawful.

      If you felt endangered, you could buy your shotgun via private transaction (wholly legal and lawful) because they are not required to invade your privacy with a background check. Gun shows, Craig's List, local paper, etc.

      Just remember that your loved-ones' lives are worth more than your day in court and no informed juror would convict a woman for protecting her family from a violent attacker, no matter what he wears to kick in your door. Just be sure that your jury actually IS fully informed (see: http://www.FIJA.org) so you don't get railroaded by idol worship.

      They don't want you to be armed (or anyone else for that matter) so there is no loophole for you to exploit, save for your husband's right to keep and bear arms and the wording of your state's laws.

      The feds want guns out of your possession and control. Maybe a gun safe, with your husband the only one with the combination, would be enough to keep your family safe.

      Let your heart decide what to do because when your heart is in it, you can't be defeated. ESPECIALLY a mother!

      • Harry J Reeves

        Felons have lost a chunk of their rights by becoming felons, most of the time becoming a felon is a matter of choice and we all have to answer to our choices.

        • FED-UP

          "Felons have lost a chunk of their rights by becoming felons, most of the time becoming a felon is a matter of choice and we all have to answer to our choices."

          I'm sure a lot of convicted felons felt that way, right up until they themselves were chewed up by our corrupted legal system.

          The point is, the government doesn't have the authority to take away ANY rights, let alone those rights they were specifically forbidden from infringing. Get acquainted with the Constitution and Bill of Rights (the only truly "Constitutional" amendments); they're an American treasure.

          Besides, as long as Juries subject themselves to the rules of presiding judges and Plea Agreements are allowed to expedite intentionally overfilled dockets, innocent people will ALWAYS be convicted of their charges, guilty or not.

          If a clock is broken, you either fix it or throw it away. You don't blindly trust it to be right twice a day because without a reliable reference, you'd never know when that was.

          • Harry J Reeves

            The constitution defines the government for the people. When a person becomes a felon he has broken his agreement with the government to follow the rule of law and may forfeit some of his privileges otherwise due a law abiding citizen. If one thinks that our system is so corrupted and unfair you might want to make a more thorough study of history. As of right now we have a better life than any other time in the history of man. Unfair? Ask a black person or a woman if today is worse today than say 40 years ago. How did changes come about? By peaceful means. Not an overthrow of the government, not a military take-over. The ballot box and our constitution guided us through troubled times. Try not to confuse a case of sour grapes with corruption and unfairness. When there is more than one person in a discourse, there is going to be disagreement at some time. We compromise and get on with our lives. You know the meaning of compromise? Everybody is unhappy (that is the cynical definition).

          • FED-UP

            @Harry J Reeves

            Funny then how they waited until 1968 to forbid felons as a means to forbid the negroes they hated so much. Nowadays, we are ALL n***ers in the eyes of the "law" and are expected to acquiesce to their tyranny.

            And, FYI, the "best" isn't good enough when it's less than the Constitution guarantees.

            Bottom line… The right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED; so says the Supreme Law of the Land, effectively nullifying all subordinate statutes to the contrary.

  • c
    • FED-UP

      I HOPE someone comes looking for MY guns.

  • Charlie

    Is there any body out there from Michigan?

  • c

    Reeves, don't cry for a second chance when you or your family mess up

    • Harry J Reeves

      I didn't cry, I was a felon and now I have a concealed weapons permit. I have had 3 FBI back ground checks that all came up clean. Since I don't have a known living relative I don't worry about what kind of problems my family has.

  • http://telsltd.com Jim

    Having been convicted of a felony 31 years ago and now discovering that my family, in particular my wife…not me, cannot have a firearm for protection if I live in the house, I wonder why. Is it because I am a felon or is it because I got caught? My sentence was 3 years probation, no incarceration, and I was released from probation after just 12 months. I guess that means I was a good boy. But no restoration of my gun rights.

    If I had any interest in harming any person I would not need a gun to do it. The BTK dude in Kansas never brandished a firearm. Ted Bundy always used chunks of wood. The Green River killer strangled his victims as did the Hill Side strangler in LA. Baseball bats can be used in a very vicious manner. Look what a retired football player was able to do with a big ol' knife in Brentwood. If I really wanted a gun bad enough and were willing to break the law, I could have a gun in 15 minutes.

    Felons come in 2 styles…those that were caught and convicted and those that weren't. A lot of people would be very surprised to hear that at one or more times in their lives they committed criminal acts that would be considered felonies. My father, may he RIP, a military officer Retired LTC, received the distinguished service cross, recently buried in Arlington Cemetery with full military honors, committed at least 300 felonies against my mother and siblings. I got caught committing a criminal act in a drunk state of mind, I even turned myself in, so I guess I am the dirt ball. Examine your past and count the number of felonies you committed. A lack of a conviction does not imply you are not felonius.

    I am not for allowing just anyone to own a firearm, let us just be reasonable and let us have a day in court to prove we are worthwhile human beings. Again, the lack of being able to lawfully possess a firearm does not prevent violence. Only the heart can prevent violence.

    • Harry J Reeves

      The only thing I can say is I totally agree with you for what ever it is worth. Your wife can own a gun, are you sure she can't keep one in her home. I know you are not allowed to posses or touch a gun but having one in the same shared premises that belongs to another person may not be illegal.

      • http://telsltd.com Jim

        Harry

        The operative words in Virginia are "Constructive Possession". Put simply, if I know of the existence of a firearm in a dwelling that I am in, and that weapon is not secured, inoperable, or in some fashion makes it totally inaccessible to me then I am considered to have control and dominion over the firearm which is the basis for a conviction of constructive possession of a firearm by a convicted felon. The courts go along way to see the charge the way the prosecution wants them to see it. By that definition I should not be able to go into Gander Mountain to get fishing worms.

        I have researched numerous opinions by the Supreme Court of Virginia and have found that they always affirm a conviction for constructive possession. In this kind of trial the accused is absolutely presumed to be guilty Unless he can prove he is not. I read only one case in which the court overturned a conviction. The person was convicted because and only because he would visit the residence on occasion. He was not present when the firearm was discovered, but he had knowledge of its existence and had access to the home, he was allowed into the home by the occupant. This is the "Chicken Little" syndrome taken to the extreme.

        I have never attempted to have my civil rights restored in Virginia, that is voting rights, jury rights, or public office rights. Owning a firearm is the next step after the governor restores the other rights. That takes an act of a circuit court. I don't necessarily want to purchase a firearm, but unless I die my wife cannot have the means to protect herself or my 14 year old daughter as long as I live in the house. Going on year 32 now. Being I am almost 60 years old I don't know if I want to bother. Maybe I will drop dead before my wife needs to protect her or my daughters life.

        Thanks for your comment.

        • Harry J Reeves

          That is an obscenity directed at everything we are supposed to stand for. How about a porter cable gas operated nail gun with the firing safety blocked. May I make a comment about your situation. The fact that you are so concerned about following the law means you are not a criminal. A criminal would not care in the least. A quick case study about anti gun laws . A person in England found a 22 pistol that had been discarded in his front yard and took it to the police station and turned it in. He was immediately arrested and convicted for possession of a firearm. With a little luck a large asteroid strike will give the planet a chance to start over.

        • FED-UP

          Whatever you do, sir, time is of the essence.

          I maintain my rebellious attitude toward government’ unreasonable and unlawful infringements (i.e. ALL of gun control) because your worst fears have already struck my family.

          My sister, a mother of three girls, is now dead because her husband cooperated with police and was charged and convicted for his efforts (apparently the cop thought he saw too much to be uninvolved).

          She abided the unlawful restraints against her husband and kept only a knife and OC spray for personal and home defense. Neither of which did her any good in defending against a 3rd strike home-invading rapist with a gun. Luckily, her “convicted” husband took the girls out for their “Sunday Sundaes” before their mother suffered her heinous fate.

          So much for gun control and the innocents they claim to protect, eh?

          The legal system isn’t interested in justice because justice consumes too much time, too many resources and generates a lot less revenue.

          Any statute beyond Common Law is unjust, unlawful and contrary to our Constitutions, fed and state. ESPECIALLY in the Commonwealth of Virginia.

          Finally, NEVER cooperate with the police… Anyone who will use your words to destroy your life are not your friend, they are your enemy.

  • http://dadf c

    constructive possession

  • http://telsltd.com Jim

    Harry and Fed Up

    I started a new thread because of the collapsing columns when someone replies. It drives me nuts.

    Short of someone volunteering to become a sacrificial lamb by being convicted of constructive possession in order for it to get to the US Supreme Court for a full review, I believe my options are limited. I will probably try taking my concerns to the Virginia Legislature but I am not sure how to get several thousand people to help me petition the government if many of them feel I got what I deserved. I have seen on other forums some of their responses which go along the line of "That's to bad, she should have thought about that before she married you".

    If my family suffers the same fate as Fed Up I just wonder if it is my fault. Why doesn't the right to life and liberty extend to the spouses and children of people like me. It appears that the government is denying them the full benefit of a right to life and a right to liberty. The right to life and liberty has an exclusion clause. If your spouse screws up once you now become subject to the whims of everyone that wishes to deny you that right to life and liberty.

    I am not dumb enough to think that the purpose of any police department has as their objective to protect my wifes life or my daughters life. The police are not here to prevent crime, they are merely the investigative arm of the justice departments.

    In retrospect I would not have given me a swiss army knife 35 years ago. But the point is not who was I 35 years ago, but who am I now, and can I be trusted with a swiss army knife.

    I appreciate your feed back and if there is any political movement afoot that is interested in addressing my concerns or the concerns of anyone else in my predicament, besides divorce court, I would love to know about it. The NRA is not the venue. I understand they have political trade offs they have to make in order to secure us against further erosion of the second amendment. I have not heard of any pending Supreme Court cases making their way on to the docket and there is a great deal of apathy in the American public for this issue.

    Any ideas? Thanks

    • Herrbaggs

      The American public is by nature apathetic and they will continue to get worse until they wake up some day and realize they have lost it all. I have a friend who is a convicted felon in Texas he has now regained the right to posses a gun in his home and use it to defend himself. There is always the option of moving.

  • FED-UP

    I have no faith in our system, so aside from all out revolution, I don’t see anyone getting any relief.

    As mentioned earlier, maybe Oprah could give you a voice. Seriously, send her a letter.

  • jazmen

    im a convicted felon but i was no where near guns and all i want is my gun rights restored so then i can take my son hunting. i would like to know how. Thank you

    • Charlie

      jazmen

      What state is your conviction in?

  • ian fields

    I know how to have your gun rights restored if you are a convicted felon or a person covicted of misdemeanor domestic violence.Hire an attorney,talk to some law makers and have a license that you can pay for at your local municipality so that you can have a gun in your home,car or even go hunting a few times a year.It all comes down to liability.If all parties in family agree in household,there would be no liability.If all parties sign waiver,then there would be no problems.If you were caught outside of home,car or hunting you could be charged with gun crimes.This would let someone with a record have a gun responsibility or It could have severe consequences.please respond and let me know what you think.

  • ian fields

    Why aren't there lawsuits for people with records not being able to defend themselves and ending up hurt or dead.

    • FED-UP

      Well Ian,

      It's because no one cares if a "convicted felon" ends up hurt or dead.

      For example, body armor never killed anyone, but convicted felons are forbidden from even wearing clothing that might preserve their "worthless lives".

      So much for the so-called "tolerance" all those bleeding-heart hypocrites keep whining about.

  • Stanley Plock

    I was arrested for having "too many" marijuana plants for my own personal use. (I was under a lot of stress…)

    Yet I was charged with a felony and my guns were taken and destroyed.

    Stan

    • Stanley Plock

      Also… I asked for a fair trial (because it was really medical marijuana) and I was told I would get 3 years in jail instead of 2 years probation.

      Isn't that duress?

      You can't get a fair trial in this country.

      The whole thing cost me about $15,000. What a racket!

      Stan

      • Clemorswhomp

        Pot is illegal everywhere in the USA no matter what you might think. You need to understand the law not what somebody tells you. Your felony conviction should have given you a hint. I have two misdemeanor pot convictions one involved 500 lbs which I managed to reduced to a misdemeanor. You approached your problem from the wrong direction or the wrong lawyer.

  • c

    Welcome to our Justice System.

  • FED-UP

    They can take your life, but you have to give up your OWN freedom.

    There is no societal standard that overrules MY sovereign right to life, liberty and the pursuit of MY happiness. After all, what is "society" but an intangible concept imposed by presumptuous and selfish individuals upon other individuals.

    I know that I never pledged allegiance to the bucket of crap we are all swimming in today. My allegiance is pledged to the Constitutional Republic that was murdered in 1865 and that Constitutional Republic will be restored.

    • Clemorswhomp

      The bucket of crap you are referring to is the best bucket of crap mankind has ever seen. If you knew your history I would not have to tell you this. If you really follow the line of thinking that you just proposed you are most likely going to spend a good deal of your life in corn hole city. Being indigent will just get you more prostate examines.

      • FED-UP

        I will KILL anyone who tries to hinder MY freedom!

  • c

    the 2a march is going to start in 11 days.

  • FED-UP

    Let's just hope the politicians and police don't start any trouble on the 19th.

    It will be terrible if the marchers are forced to exercise the right to muster as militia, and bear arms against their progressive, socio-fascist tyranny.

    Well, maybe not SOOOOO terrible.

  • c

    Out of curiosity, Is any of the firearm acts going to allow me to legally own a firearm? if i'm a federal ex offender?

  • c

    instate only of course

    Firearms freedom act.

  • c
  • George

    it seems to me our forfathers gave us those rights

    there was no exception to that rule

    i do agree if a man or women used a wepon is the commiting of a crime they lose said rights

    but on that idea if they use a knife then there not to ever touch a knife

    i know that sounds dumb but its the same thing

    think about it and you will see

  • Varg

    A glimmer of hope.

    We were successful in Ohio in having a bill introduced 2 weeks in the Ohio Senate to fix the Ohio Firearms restoration law to be aligned with the federal law, SB247.

    Currently, the ATF denies Ohioans who have recieved a restoration of firearms based upon a stretched reading of Caron v US case, citing Ohio's clause "does not include dangerous ordinances" claiming that Ohio's restoration is not "complete".

    SB247 removes the dangerous ordinance clause, and takes the authority of the ATF off of the restoration. If SB247 passes, the Ohio restoration will be complete, and the ATF will no longer be allowed to deny Ohioans restored rights.

    So far, SB247 has bi-partisan support, was introduced by a democrat, and is co-sponsored by 6 senators.

    2 years ago, we were successful in getting the concealed carry law changed to include those who have recieved restorations under Ohio law. So, if SB 247 passes, restored Ohioans will be allowed to have their guns and apply for concealed carry licenses.

    We have fought hard to get this far. This is not an easy fight, noone is going to hand it to us. But know this, if you fight smart, and get the politics involved, we can win.

    I will keep you updated…

    • marti

      Will non violent felons be allowed to get a concealed permit , I think ohio law says felons cannot. I guess if you do not partition courts for full gun rights , then I guess if bill SB 247 ,passes you still will not be able to get concealed permit , unless ohio law is changed and would says non violent felons can get concealed .Non violent felons will have to partitition courts like ex murderers even though there rights are supposed to be restored with their other civil rights , I think they want the money which would force you to petition court to get full gun rights back !!!!!

      • Varg

        ohio's concealed carry law allows you to apply if you are a felon IF you have been granted a restoration under 2923.14ORC, the charge cannot be held against a CCL applicant IF 2923.14 has been granted for that charge.

        If 247SB passes, and you have been granted restoration under 2923.14, you WILL be able to apply for CCL, but it is still up to the sheriff. However, he cannot hold the charge against you if you have a 2923.14 relief.

        On another note, we have to quit dividing ourselves into violent and nonviolent, it only weakens our voice. The state does not care if you are violent or nonviolent, to them all felons are dirty felons. I understand your logic, and maybe partially agree, but many people are caught up in self-defense cases without big money for attorneys and get convicted. I refuse to throw them under the bus and forget about them.

        to c, no buddy, you are still screwed. once they get you at the federal level, there's no way out other than a presidential pardon. perhaps if the states continue to fight and stand up, someday we can beat this unconstitutional federal gun law and make it go away, then it will be up to your state to decide, which is how it should be.

        • truth

          the states shouldn't have to care listen to this you help da people, law enforcement jobs are to protect and serve the community therefore no gun should play part of their uniforms, they shouldn't be in the hand of no one which means period its a sin to murder, so why is it allowed. Cops, judges, prison officials, armies, presidents everybody in the legal system commited or help commit murder, so therefore they should be title criminals as well, You have people that shoot people in the head hunting and all they got to say is that it was an accident?????? Accident be for real. I don't care what you,re aiming at, if you aiming like dat something in your path would block what you 're aiming at so its no target, intentially you commit murder and get off easy, you got real innocent people locked up cause they wasn't defended by paid for representation, I mean life is crazy that what it is water to burn taking complete control of people life soon felons goin be admitted to being slaves.

          • lee75

            if you had a felon in 1950 you became a slave then to me it has aleays been that way

            it has been 53 yeas ago for me and to the law i am more of a dog today as i was then

  • http://sadfa c

    What if the ex offender was from the feds and nothing else on his back? could he legally go to ohio and possess a firearm lawfully

    bless the 2A

  • http://sadfa c

    of course assuming that sb247 will pass

  • Ryan

    Really interesting article I came upon here. I was convicted of a few felonies almost five years ago. My first time ever in the law system. I am not a bad person. My father had just died from a horrific disease. And I was seriously sad and hurt. Somehow, i turned to drugs. And I had never been a drug user in my life before this. As I sank deeper into sadness and pain. A friend, well…someone I thought was a friend at the time introduced me to heroin. A drug that I always hate a real hated for. Foolishly. I took some. And then some more. And became addicted very fast. It took away my internal pain. But then it suddenly became a nightmare. I became a scum bag. The total opposite of who I really am. I stole, I was homeless. I was truly lost and a piece of crap. I ended up taking a few items from my mothers house. And I pawned them. Thinking I would get them back and put them back before she would notice. Yeah, how low right? Pathetic. Of course I didn't get them back. And had to tell her what I had done. And she filed a theft report which I told her to do.

    Several months later. As I was going to get myself a bag of dope. My dealer was busted as I was standing there waiting to make a buy. Oddly enough. She had nothing. And was waiting to "reup". Cops came, and I got caught up in the mix. They found all her baggies, a scale and heroin residue on a pair of siccors. And bam. She was busted. 3 months later. I found out, out of nowhere I was being charged as well. With delivery and possesion. I could handle that charge. Yeah. I was a drug addict. But I was never a dealer. EVER. Once I went to court. They offered me a deal to take the charge of delivery and do 30 days in jail. I argued and said I will plead to all I have done as I am guiltly. But I am not guilty of dealing drugs. They ended up scaring me so badly in the end. I plead guilty to the charges plus new ones they pulled out of thin air. Honest to god! I didn't want to go to prison. I had already put my poor mother threw hell. And I just couldnt be in prison. It would kill her. I saw a side of the legal system which is so flawed and screwed up its just simply unbelievable. Shocking. However, in the end. My judge. Was a very amazing man. Someone I think of very fondly. He helped save my life. And put me into treatment. And watched over me. Yes, I had a few slip ups. But he was understanding of it. I think he knew that I was not really a bad person. And I proved him right. I finished two treatments. In and out. a year and a half of it. as well as three years probation with no trouble or a single dirty UA. nothing. That was 2 years ago. I am still drug free. And the thought of it makes me sick. Do I want to own a gun? Sure, it would be fun to shoot again. It always was fun to shoot cans. can i live without a gun? sure. However. I am someone who thinks that the rights of felons need to be looked at better. I am not a bad person. I would never hurt anyone. Nor commit any crimes. I was just stupid. Lost and hurt. And I screwed up. I paid my dews. But life has been hellish as for renting, getting a job ext. Part of me understands why. stuff looks bad on paper. But I am no different than anyone else. only I got in trouble for the really dumb things I did. I hope someday, they can change things. Make felonies come off your public record after a certain amount of years pass. And as for the gun issue. Would I want to let a violent person to own a gun? Or a pedophile? A rapist? No! but there are lots and lots of good people who have just screwed up. And maybe shooting brings them some kind of peace and happiness. Who knows. I say, let them make a case in court. And let em have them. Cuz there are felons who are good wonderful people. Not bad guys. I hate the label of felon. Its used like a brand. And once you got that brand. You are stuck with it.

    • Hicus Dicus

      Having fun Shooting a gun is not the issue. A felon has the right to defend himself and his loved ones or innocents under attach from a violent assault.

    • http://yahoo.com JoeDirt

      As a former correctional officer, I find myself in agreement with Ryan. I believe after a set amount of time, if they don't get in any more trouble, MOST felons should have their rights restored. So many things are felonies now, it's insane. If someone serves 5 years in prison/on parole for drug charges, they've paid ENOUGH. The vast majority of felons I worked with were non-violent offenders. To strip them of their rights for LIFE just seems heavy handed and immoral.

      • jim

        I find washington and the whole gov.immoral

      • lee 75

        53 years ago i got a felon i did not have a gun and now i am 75 years old and i look into geting a gun and the law let me know that i have NO rights and wont. if we had a war in the U.S.A. what will i do i say if a man can go 53 yesrs with out geting in to any thing what is so bad about him having a gun. who knows i may be the man that saves some ones life from some one that is violent and has a gun . i do not have a gun but i have got a ball bat .i wont get over this 53 years ago

        • JoeDirt

          That's my point. When does a felon ever get done paying the price? And there are some pretty stupid felonies out there. How can we expect them to re integrate into society, when they've been stripped of their rights, and can't get a legit job because people won't hire felons. I say, do your time, and that's that. Punishing folks for the rest of their lives(except for murderers and pedophiles) is stupid and unjust.

      • JoGusto

        JoeDirt, I agree with you. What you've said makes a lot of sense. I'd even go so far as to say even "violent" felons could be considered "rehabilitated" if there were no more trouble for XXX years (pick a number).

        I think Ryan's story is also indicative of the need to change the way we deal with drug offenses of all kinds (including possession for sale/trafficking). We've been taking the same stance for over 75 years and it's not working. Harm reduction for the individuals caught up in the drug web, and as a secondary effect, billions of dollars taken out of the hands of the gangs and organized crime, and put back into circulation in the economy, above ground and in the US (not Columbia or Mexico or Afghanistan).

  • Tek Dawg

    I think our Gov't does want everyone to become a convicted felon, because they're scared [unnecessary profanity redacted]less of being surrounded by no nonsense packing mother[unnecessary profanity redacted] who's not going to let them wipe them off the face of the earth like they would love to do!

  • http://sadfa hanky

    Is the recent ruling going to be beneficial for us ex_offenders in anyway possibly?

  • Craig

    I am also a former felon, I think we should all get together and get a petition going around or file multiple suits to try and get our rights restored. I can understand violent offenders not being able to possess firearms, but even for those after a sufficient amount of time (I'm sure the government would love to tell us how long) even they should receive their rights back. It is not like if they want to get a gun to rob someone because they can't buy one legally that is going to stop them I mean come on don't kid yourselves.

  • truth

    As i would say if the thought of a person using a weapon to hurt someone theirs no way to prevent it unless another knowing about the situation, therefore if I own a gun and its register to me then I commit an act of crime with this same weapon its in my name i'm court red handed, but leaving the option not to be registered leaves in my hand a non-traceable weapon, understand this unless you commit a act with such a weapon or any weapon at all then your rights should be stripped once again still put you in the presence of that untraceable weapon, but more people would think before hurting fearing of them defending them selfs of the same violent act, so i say it was made they didn't vanished, nor been put to ban, so therefore amendment 2 no man should be infringed of his right to bear arms, live by the law of the land and not the law of the man

  • truth

    Lastly, here no evil, speak no evil, see no evil stop worrying bout the possession of the most evilest thing in this world something made to commit murder, ban television, ban negative publication, ban any one from unleashing any evil thoughts, ban sex, ban every sin that japardize a human body be any the present of the holy one give your soul if you have to so devil could vanish, acts of harming anothe being are acts of the devil. have you ever seen a gun fired and shows no holes not one, not blanks, but real bullets,

  • truth

    I'm a felon ex-felon released off papers 5 years ago, i wan't violent, but thought to be violent a real criminal, thought I was doin every legit just had a few bags a marijuana, shit damn near the whole world smokes marijuana, I had my gun in a lock truck because I was living with some one else, but i'm a criminal because I was thinking bout the safety of those people I was living with. The charges I was accused of you would of thought I was growing plants moving marijuana crossed the world, man what make the situation so worse that I went threw the beginning of state court with a court appointed lawyer, which my that lawyer never should but sent another one, a court appointed assistant 3 times, no need to tell you the out come my gun sent me federal my paid lawyer had that drop a lock trunk is like a lock safe, get it you just mobile, I was goin leave out that my federal court appointed promised me jail time, whats the point of a court appointed lawyer that will not fight for you $100 worth of marijuana, gave me an offering of no less than seven years for what, especially i would of had to turn my car off take out my key got unlock my trunk dig threw some stuff to get it, but I was using it to protect that $100, let me tell you my freedom is worth a life not money shit it could be $1 if someone decides to rob you at gun point they are risking your life, so for no reason and noreason at all that a gun and drugs should be used in connection with each unless its really a non controllable drug there can't be one person in this world that said marijuana made them do something to hurt anybody not even if you need it because you really not addicted, they need to do their case studies and see how many people actually been put straight on probation, didn't have to be tied down and stop using it, other people just don't want to stop its not addicted like cigarettes the drug thats really killing people, live on prosper what you can leave the past where it stands, you can't win, there is no win win, forget about it or let me include, this violent criminal with no violent record went to college at the age 16

    • JoGusto

      Wow, that is practically incomprehensible. You went to college at 16? Did they let you in?

      • Rozyredtoes

        If he went to college he must have gotten a degree in giberish. This just goes to prove that the internet is the worlds main venue for making moronic statements.

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    hello guys,i wander when this world ever comes down to being controlled and tooken over by other countries or something of that nature are police officers going to stop and say we need to check you out to see if your a felon TO SEE IF UR ELIGIBLE FOR WEAPONS ,well i dont think that is going to matter at that moment!!! I just believe we should be given our gun rights back to the felons that have proved over and over just like ive been saying on this same website since its been running!!!!FELON FRIENDS MOUNTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT UP,, TIME TO FIGHT BACK !! LOOKS LIKE THE MCDONALD CASE IS IN ACTION.—–GIBBS—–

  • lee75

    Just checking to see if anyone knows about this law that was in effect up until the 1900's when a man was released from prison he received one saddle one horse and 30/30 winchester rifle upon his release. There was a case in Alabama in 1970s when an inmate refused to take there 10.00 dollar bus fair and go free suit then he filed a suit against the state of Alabama saying that, that law was never changed. And I was told he won this case. I can not swear to it i have not been able to find this in any court records but i do know this man personaly and did see him with a horse,and saddle,and a 30/30 winchester rifle, I don't know if he bought these things himself or he was just saying this, But i would realy like to know if this is true. And if this is so, Then the state of Alabama violated the law by giving him a gun. And for information for some of you out there that don't know, In Alabama and Georgia and several other states, If a non felon sells an ex felon any type of fire arm then they become a felon themselves, so let your friends know this.

    I will enjoy all replies i receive from all who read this.

  • c

    prior to 1934 ex offenders were allowed to have a gun.

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    hey guys about a week ago i had a call out of the blue from the 2nd ammendment foundation out of the state of washington state wanting to help but like i always do as independant as iam i refused it,she seen my ad on examiner.com i posted a good while ago asking for help to get my 2nd ammendment rights restored,and she seen my post i guess she was trying to help but if i havent got help so far,,could they really do anything????

    • jim

      GIBBS GIBBS GIBBS, what are you doing you had a chance, you should have seen what she could do for you then you could turn here to this website.tell her you will sleep with her hell i'll sleep her to get my rights back ,just kidding she's probably a very nice person that wants to help, check her out

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_does_a_felon_get_th… we need to be heard!!!!how do we do it????how???? please telll me DISENFRANCHISEMENT!!!THATS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/140922#ans9357228 HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS WEBSITE I FOUND AND PLEASE REPLY TO IT!!!!BECAUSE EVRY1 DESERVES A SECOND CHANCE FOR THEIR GUN RIGHTS BACK,AND UNTIL PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT WE WILL NEVER GET THEM BACK!!!!!!!

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    Is breaking and entering a non violent or violent felony?I know that robbing a place would be violent but just breaking and entering,what would that be?

    • Charlie

      Jim, I answer to your question as to whether B&E is a violent felony, the answer is, it depends. I Michigan if you are charged under MCL 750.110, it's a felony, if you are charged under MCL 750.115 it's a misdemeanor. Don't you just love prosecutorial discression? Anyway, the Feds classify burglary as a violent crime when they are looking at sentence enhancement.
      I'm from Michigan and have been wrestling with the Feds about restoration of my firearm rights for four years. The other post you had about the Second Amendment Foundation interests me. I have applied to the NRA and MI Colition of Responsible Gun Owners for a grant to fund a lawsuit. This may be of value to me. Please send me an email at askunclefuzzy@aol.com and we can share research.

      • jim

        let me in on this guys, i'me an nra member

  • c

    just wondering? is it constitutional for the federal government to bar it's people from their 2nd amendments? I thought it was up to the states!

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    All these things the government are doing around us and are corrupt. and they are getting away with it thats enough for a lawsuit right there!!!!Seems like the president would give us felons a second chance before he goes trusting other countries that are threatning us in the first place,Guys we are going to go in our cold dead graves and still will not get our gun rights restored,DID YOU HEAR ME???GOOD!!think about it we all have tried,tried and tried and face it we are running out of ideas arent we?yes,i went on and answered it for you to save you the trouble.The only option we have left is we mount up first thing,secondly we find someone to listen to us,thirdly we make preparations,and finally WE MAKE OUR MOVE!!!IF YOU GUYS DONT WANT TO DO WHAT I JUST TOOK THE TIME TO TELL YOU THEN IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK!!!NOW PONDER ON IT AND COME UP WITH A PLAN —GIBBS—

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    I WILL GIVE YOU A HINT,,MAYBE START A PETION WEBSITE,,SET IT UP WHERE FELONS AROUND THE WORLD CAN COME IN AND SIGN IT WITH THE STIPULATION THAT ALL HAS SIGNED WILL MEET AND START A GROUP MAYBE CALLED"ONE MILLION FELONS FIGHTING BACK AT YOUR FRONT DOOR WHITE HOUSE KNOCK KNOCK"HOW DOES THAT SOUND GUYS?KNOCK KNOCK?WHOS THERE?–GIBBS–,,GIBBS WHO? SEE UR NOT LISTENING AGAIN!!!I TOLD YOU ALREADY,GIBBS WHO LIKES RIBS AND HIS GUN RIGHTS BACK!!!THAT GIBBS!!!!!—-GIBBS—

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    where is everybody?i would really love to have my gun rights back today if possible {lol)i know thats a joke!but it sounded good anyway.–gibbs—

  • alex

    im from illinoise an i have a class 1 drug(marijuana)conviction. is there ANYTHING i can do to restore my firearms rights?????

    • jim

      is it fed or state,if its fed you can apply for rights restoration 8 yrs after compleation of probation.if its state i don't know.

      • B. Schaer

        You have to wait five(5) years after discharge from either probation or parole to apply for an FOID card.

        • Lee75

          B.Schaer; what is a FOID Card let me no what it is have a good one

    • ThePatriot

      support this bill it restores second amendment rights to non violent felons … theres a link on the page that automatically brings up your local rep to send them a letter ask them to support it…. http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_

  • c

    In other words, we are sol for life.

  • c

    you have been mis informed.

    the atf no longer does that due to lack of funding by congress.

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    ??? running out of fight,fuel,but my faith is still there,….gibbs….

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    hello learn about guns, this is jammer i think we have spoke before a few times in the past.IS THERE ANYWAY that we can conform all these comments into a get together speakout that will multiply more felons to come forth and speakout so we can be heard out there maybe to the right person that can help us all?my felonies are coming up on their 20th anniversary and im sick of seeing old cobwebs around my 2nd decade mistakes,,If they could only see that i will not get in any more trouble and give me a 2nd chance so i can hunt and protect my family! Iam almost 1st degree black belt but that dont mean anything when you are staring down the barrel of someone that is probably a felon in the first place!!any suggestions my friend?…gibbs…

    • jim

      Gibs you have more than one !

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    have more than one what jim felonies?/??yes i do,,,and im not proud of it.what was ur felony jim?its not about whos got what jim ,,,its about fighting together and us being heard out there and them frauds hearing us very clear so maybe we can come to a glimmering hope of light!!!Ijust always grew up and was taught that life was about if you fail,Get back up,Life is about 2nd chances.JESUS CHRIST has already forgiven us,,Why is it so hard for the goverment to forgive us also and reinstate our GUN RIGHTS???ALL IM ASKING IS FOR ONE MORE CHANCE TO PROVE TO WHOMEVER,,,JUST ONE!!ARE YOU GUYS WANTING WHAT IM WANTING OR AM I TOTALLY IN ANOTHER DIFFERENT BALLPARK?PLEASE ANSWER ME???….GIBBS…

    • jim

      gibbs mine was for conspericy to traffic in 1 key of coke i didn't even have the product 5yrs later they arrested me that was 17yrs ago and the date of said ofense was 8 of 1988 i havn't even had a parking ticket in 22yrs, and mine was feds i have cops that i sometimes drink coffie with and shoot the shit with,i've even helped them chase down a suspected drug dealer on my motorcycle they don't know that i am a felon they never have asked.if i didn't have this feloney i could be a volinteer on our sheriff's dept one of the requirments is you go to the gun range and a background check and you know i'll never pass that .but its fun hanging out with them

  • me

    Well, if it an't some big stuff. Then I don't see why not he shouldn't be given a second chance unless he has two felonies on the same crime aka habitual offender.

  • me

    you sound like mr. rule 35 to me.

    • jim

      whats that r-35

    • Lee75

      what is this rule 35 about

  • meh

    u should know

    • Lee75

      meh; hay i am 75and i dont is rule 35 a good thing or what

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    well lets see here i have two felonies of the same kind but like ive stated b4 its called MISTAKES!!! PEOPLE WE SHOULD BE ON THE SAME PAGE FIGHGTING TOGETHER NOT ANALYZING ONE ANOTHERS FELONIES THATS NOT GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING OK?WE NEED TO BE SPEAKING OUT LOUDLY…….GIBBS….JIM,,JUST HANG IN THERE I THINK YOU DESERVE UR GUN RIGHTS BACK AND I HOPE YOU THINK LIKEWISE FOR ME……

    • jim

      be carefull 3 strikes and your out, i herd that in some states passing a school bus is a feloney

  • meh

    why u fing wit police if dere da 1 who hendered your freedom. snitch

    • jim

      well i can see you don't need your gun rights back, i'me the one that scewed up they didn't, why should be pissed at them. drugs are ruining this country i would turn your ass in if i could catch ya

      • Rozyredtoes

        Jim, I agree with you on both counts.

  • http://guinshows-usa.com Earl Kurburski

    Read all of these comments and would like to make a couple of my own.
    1. The government, ie: the constitution, isn't what gives you the right to bear arms. The right is given by God, or nature. All persons have the right to defend themselves and NO ONE has the right to take that right away period.

    2. If a felon does his time he had paid his debt to society. Society through it's laws and courts has decided to release him back into society they do NOT have a moral right to continue the punishment for life.

    3. When felons are released where do they go? Usually they are forced to live in the worst neighborhoods. They are living in areas where they NEED to be able to defend themselves. It is inmoral to not allow them to do so.

    4. Every felon faced with this problem needs to find a copy of "Invisible Resistance to Tryany" to find out how to fight back without getting caught. The rest of us need to do the same.

    • jim

      well spoken, where do you find a copy

    • Rozyredtoes

      Oh yes the government does have the right to control arms or anything that can threaten the safety of its citizens. The reason we have a standing army is so no foreign power can infringe upon our constitutional rights. There is no real tyranny in this country if there was we would not even be having this conversation. Fight back with out getting caught is basically criminal thinking. This is one of the reasons that felons lose so many rights. The reason one is charged with a felony is because he has been caught breaking the law and ignorance of the law is no excuse. It is every citizens duty to know his rights and the laws that go with them. If you break them and get caught you lose the rights that go with them. That old adage that laws are made to be broken is another form of criminal thinking. Some one was saying that passing a school bus may be a felony in some places and seemed to think that was not right. Killing children is a lot worse than most crimes and deserves extreme punishment and when one illegally passes a school bus the potential to kill children is ever present and any one who does not understand this deserves what he gets. Most people who commit a felony know what they are doing and they too deserve what they get.

      • jim

        i think you need to take a hike rozy, people like you and the way you think is the reason why felons don't get a fair second chance especially non violent felons, and the tyraney is slowley building. everybody has the right to protect themselves and their famly's from the rapist's and murders i guess you havent seen some of the crap that goes on in this country criminal wise cops can't be everyware so who is going to protect you when a couple of punks burst into a convience store while you are getting your coffie and starts shooting

        • Rozyredtoes

          Well let me give you a hint. You are out numbered by people like me about 30000 to one. Its your attitude that will keep you oppressed for the rest of your life. So you think you are going to tell me something about life. Lets see, 8 years of rent collecting in the black ghettos of Houston getting shot in the chest, gut and arm. Driving my self to the hospital and being pronounced DOA. After 9 days in icu and finally recovering then arrested and charged with 5 felony counts putting up 80000.00 in bail then being rearrested and put in maximum security and coming up with another 80000.00 in bail and then 140000.00 in legal fee's and working for the sorry ass DEA for over a year to make it all go away. What are you going to tell me that I don't know. I have had socialize with more low life drug dealers and criminals than you will ever know. I am not going to tell you to take a hike you can do that with out my help. Your attitude is going to destroy your life. You don't need a gun you need an education.

          • jim

            i got pleanty of edu i ran the steets of orlando when i was 14 got kicked out of school when i was17 joined the army went to nam got shot and missed [unnecessary profanity redacted] at and hit worked security at a hoppin club had knives, and guns pulled on me drug dealers would give me coke ,weed meth,valium, etc for tips.went back to school became a comerical pilot, sat on pabalo escobar's runway in normans cay in the bahamas while they loaded my plane tough guy

            • jim

              and your lucky man you got to work with the dea i wuld give my left nut to work with them. i could have done that instead been a smuggler but i was to stupid

          • Lee75

            hay jim roz ant got it he looks at to much tv .i seen the same thing on hbo last week and i know thats not him but it was a good movie. you know iam about to be 76 and the 10-12-2010 will be 54 years ago for me and need a gun but the law wont let me have one. so jim look on hbo and maybe you will get to see that movie .roz here is what you do go see a DR. and come back home and go to bed

            • Rozyredtoes

              Lee you need to get back on your meds so I can try and figure out what you are talking about. Hey Lee I just turned 74 and have ccw and beat 5 felony raps in one case and 2 in another. You can't beat blind luck, I guess I must have got some of yours. Hope you do better next time.

          • Lee75

            roz;well i see that you have money when you did all this . but in 1957 i did not have money .
            but i got out and got a job now with 16 homes and 235 cows 1.750acre and money in the bank.and i got this buy working for it like i say i have been out for 53 years and i did not pay my way out .like you did i say you are full bull and some one like you dont need a gun .like i say i am75 and going 76 in a few weeks one more thing i do take my mads DO YOU

            • Rozyredtoes

              Lee, the one thing you do need to do is to put spell check on your computer. It would certainly make it easier to try and decipher what you are ranting about.

              • Lee75

                roz what hell i am 75 my spelling must not be that bad you got what i was saying

                i did not say i was a DR.

    • Rena

      I agree whole heartedly. I have an 8 year old 2nd attemp burg. nothing before or since, and am a single mother of a 7 1/2 year old. my neighbors get broken into and i can't even have a firearm in my home to protect myself or my daughter, what happens if it's a rapist? how am i to make sure my daughter is safe and that she stays innocent? I want a copy of that book where do i get it? Lived in Michigan for 6 years working 2 jobs where i was a key carrier and made sure patients got their meds making 10$ an hour, now i'm back in the "great" state of Texas and i can't even get a job cleaning floors, i feel like i'm still being punished for what happened 8 years ago and it's wrong.

      • Jennifer

        The economy is very bad, but don't give up.

  • jim

    feloney convictions shuld be reserved for the most violent offenders like rape, murder agr,assult,assult on law enforcement officers,child molesters and violent crimes against people

    • Lee75

      i say if you are a sex offender or a child molester. some one needs to take you out and kill you .not with a gun but with a rock .see you dont need a gun a rock will work
      NO i am not violent but when it comes to rapeing woman and kids you dont do this to them
      i say you dont need a gun evere. if some one did this to my wife or my kids then you need to call on god you will need him.
      SAY NO GUNS TO SEX OFFENDERS AND CHILD MOLESTER

  • Rozyredtoes

    Jim you have a good idea, but what about the habitual drunken driver who has not yet killed someone and who just does not care. The same can be said for habitual reckless driving. The professional thief who has never been caught but if he was would kill to escape. Someone who pursues criminal activities that could easily escalate to lethal violence but has yet not had cause to get violent. These people are all felons and need to be isolated from a peaceful society. Things are not as black and white as one might think. Jim, your last statement I am extremely skeptical of. My wife and I both finished pilot training but never pursued it any farther because of liability issues. My problems arose through careless circumstances and bad judgment not because I pursed them with criminal intent. If what you said is true you are a felon and a criminal. You leave the impression that these activities were the high lite of your life. It does not really matter because the clock can not be turned back. The fact that you and a lot of other folks are grossing about gun rights seems to show that their objectives in life are pointed in the wrong direction. A gun is minute part of my life. A gun is the last resort before your life goes into the toilet. I would say for the people who can not touch a gun they are going to have to be more astute about their environment, judgment's and decision making.

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    to whomever it may concern,I dont really care no more if i can have a pistol or not ,,,i just would like to see the day where the government would be good-hearted and kind enough and let the felons that have not been in any trouble more than 10 years or better to letthe individual at least have a shotgun or rifle so we can hunt and have a good piece of mind so we can have some way to protect our families at least!!!!its just scary not being able to protect my family.its just gone to far,,,weve learned our lesson!!!!why arent they trusting us with a second chance???????????…..gibbs…….

  • http://jammer28nc james a. gibbs

    http://extranosalley.com/?p=4867&cpage=1#comm… GUYS CHECK THIS SITE OUT I FOUND!!!!!!!!PLEASE REPLY TO IT!!!!…………..GIBBS……

  • http://yahoo dewy

    I too am a convicted felon. I have been out of the system since 10/26/92 and have not come close to committing another offense. Since being convicted 01/10/88 I lost civil rights and my gun rights. I took them all for granted, until it came time to vote in an election and when hunting season of 93'came and I couldn't hunt with my Dad and brothers. I think the law should be changed. I would just like to really be a U.S. citizen again.

    • Rozyredtoes

      Dewy, The reason that the law enforcement community never needs to take viagra is that it gives them an erection just to think about all the felons that they have under their thumb. They are not interested in your problems or rights they just want to be able to call you boy and do a body search. Deep down inside they wish everybody was a felon. You know what happens to a lawyer if you give him a viagra. He gets taller!

  • Rozyredtoes

    Fur Lee 75, Gime me da brake LEE, i rally dues not knows wut yo is prattling on about And why should I talk to you if I can't lie to you. So youse is a DR, wut kind? I been to a DR, does that count? He told my wife that I ought to be put permanently to sleep to help keep the public safe. For the public to be truly safe we both need to be put down.

    • Lee75

      roz. look i can see what you are up to now. you must be a sex offender and you are so mad because no one wonts any thing to do with you. and i wont be replying to any more of your replys. and one more thing you may have paid your way out of all your charges but i dont think so. i say you may have snitched your way out of all the charges. and as for me no i am not lying i was guilty of my charge it was penny annie. but i did do it i went in 1956 and came out in 1957 .and you say you are 74 no i say you about 45 to 50 years old . and if you paid your way out of all this why are you here geting in the way. NO MORE REPLYS TO ROZ

      • Rozyredtoes

        Lee, If I have to lie to you why should I talk to you. I am sorry if I got you all warped out of shape. But you still need spell check. A good sense of humor can really come in handy.You should not try to be rude you are just not good at it. Let me tell you about blind luck. After I made bail I went and picked up my truck which was in impound. There was a sticker on the window that said where the truck was picked up which was my house. I threw it in a drawer when I got home to keep as a memento. I had spent 17 days in the hospital 9 of them in ICU with gun shot wounds and some time in jail before I made bail. I was in and out of court for the next year and the final hearing was closing in. I was going through my stuff getting ready to go get free room and board for ten or so years when I picked up the sticker off my truck and looked close at it. The address on it had a transposed number. Instead of 6405 it said 6504 and it turned out the search warrant had the same incorrect address. I showed it to my useless over priced lawyer, fired him got another one and got all the charges thrown out. Hows that for blind luck! There was 700 lbs of pot and a shit load of meth, which I actually did not know was there. Some acquaintance had hid it in my house. I would not have the stuff around me. So I went to the DEA and worked for them for over a year and managed to get him 15 years along with all his sorry friends who had three big labs in three different states. It gave me more satisfaction than killing him. Child abusers, animal abusers and meth heads are all one the top of my list to destroy in any way any time I get a chance. Oh by the way I did make a lot of money a whole lot of money, if you try real hard you may figure out how. But after this episode I decided it was not worth it and quit. I then went into real-estate and made even more money. I will on closing say that I am not sure who the biggest criminals are, drug dealers or real-estate developers. Lee, you have a nice day with your cows I am going to watch a movie in my home theater then burn a little herb and go to bed.

  • Jennifer

    Clearwater Florida Police Dept. did not have the knowledge or training when convicted felon Daniel Puscar was arrested for pointing a gun at a roommate. They missed an opportunity on much more. He has made a living selling drugs since the 60's. He has never had a job, but is very financially set. He is considered street smart. He has and always will have a gun, and not much of a chance getting caught. His mental disability is an asset and prescription drugs is money in the (bank) pocket. Hide and denied.

  • http://JAMMER28NC JAMES A GIBBS

    VARG WHERE ARE YOU MAN?CHECK THIS OUT,WOULD THIS MAYBE APPLY OR HELP ME OUT IN ANY FASHION ?http://sogweb.sog.unc.edu/blogs/ncclaw/?p=1444&cpage=1#comment-3050,,,TAKE CARE BUDDY HOPE UR DOING WELL!,,,,HEY JIM WHATS UP BUDDY?

  • http://JAMMER28NC JAMES A GIBBS

    learn about guns maybe you know the answer to this,,,I was convicted of breaking and entering 20 years ago ok? So therefore what has that simply got to do with my gun rights?I didnt committ a crime with a gun.I can see if it had something to do with a gun so who came up with that mess to paralyze someones authority to tell them they can NEVER HAVE A GUN AGAIN? Anyone,Can a felon have a bb gun?how do we protect our homes,family,property?when someone commits a crime with a gun other than self defense then take their rights away!!!!not for stuff like b&e,drugs,traffic ticket,etc!!!who agress with me?this is bull@###!!!!Im sick of our constitutional rights being neglected but what can we do to fight back and get whoever to listen to us and give us a second chance?…………..gibbs………..

    • Lee75

      Gibbs if the law gets you here were i am with a BB gun yes you will go to jail. and get you 5 years. and i know some one that got a blow gun and it was in his car and he got 3 years for that and he was a felon. and did you know that a x felon can not have a pocket knife on him. and what is funny about all this a slang shot is a weapon. lets say if a war broke out here in the U.S.A. what will they give us to fight with rocks . i say get out of the way and see what they can do with out us iknow that is bad to say. but look what they are dong to us .but i no some felons that do not need a gun if they had one some one die. and they make us look bad that is why some one like us will never get to have a gun

      Lee75 53 years has past

  • Jennifer

    People are different and felons are different.

    So you can not judge everyone the same. Not all lawyers are the same as some really don't care about their client or winning the case as they are just in it for the money.

    How can you label a guy 18 yrs.old that had sex with his 17 yr. old girl friend as a child molester for life. How can you label a person that got caught smoking pot and send him to jail with a record for life.

    Then you have a street smart habitual criminal that knows how to avoid getting caught and when that person does get caught will have the attorney that can make miracles happen. Knowledge on how to make a case hard to prosecute and ability to create a case against someone else for that stay out of jail miracle.

    Anyone can get a gun, even a so called felon as long as they are not caught and are a street smart criminal with a lawyer that can make miracles happen. Don't expect the laws to change or change in your life time.

    Street smart stays out of jail to leave a place for dumb aassss. Who are you?

  • http://JAMMER28NC JAMES A GIBBS

    thank you lee now iam worried,what do we do?who can change our life for us x-felons?apparently we cant,we havent succeded yet!someone has really got to have a masters touch for the lawmakers to uncalis their heart and give us a second chance,Then if we mess up take it quickly away for life!!!!But im not planning to mess up, i havent for 20yrs since the crime.keep in touch lee and thank you for being a friend and where are you from ?,,,,gibbs……

  • Hicus Dicus

    ibbs, millions and millions of people have gone through life with ever having a need for a gun. Being a felon is not the end of the world. Having terminal cancer or going blind is the end of the world. How you conduct your life is the only thing that matters.

    • Lee75

      Hicus Dicus; this is so. but it would be nice to have a gun. if a 20 year old came in your door to kill you and he had a gun what will you do . you cant have a gun. if you do have a gun you go to jail or the 20 year old will kill you. and you are 75 years old and in failing health .so stop and think this can be your mom or your dad how would you feel .

      like i say they are some out there that do not need a gun BUT NOT ALL OF THEM . i see you put terminal cancer in this. it is a bad thing to have .do you think some one my age or terminal ill can fight a 20 or 30 year old with a gun ?

      i dont think so

      • jim

        get a can of wasp spray that shoots 20 feet that will stopem dead in their tracks

      • Rozyredtoes

        Lee, You don't seem to believe anything I say. I will say again I am 74 and quite aware of my limitations. I am not to sure a gun would help. That is why I have 5 judges scattered through the house. They don't require a lot of skill to stop some one. They are primarily a short range defense weapon and it would make it difficult for a prosecuting attorney to say that I had murder on my mind. If the authorities can show that killing was you primary objective then your self defense argument can go down the toilet. I have been on a lot of gun forums and I will say that most of the people on them do not have a real clue as to what can happen to them if they kill someone no matter what the reason. Let me ask you a question LEE. When was the last time you needed a gun to defend yourself. I don't think a gun is nearly as important as ones attitude about life. Oh by the way my wife who always carries three guns still keeps a aerosol can of wasp spray in her car. She is a real estate broker. The emotional problems that go with killing a human-being don't phase us. The problems with the law and the courts and the relatives are something one needs to consider.

  • Lee75

    James Gibbs; thanks .where am i at .i am in atmore al.you no i dont see the law giveing us a second chance .in my time any way.maybe in your time by law you will and can have a gun one day soon .and i see you have been out for 20yrs. that is good .and i say 20yrs. you do need a second chance may one day they will call you and say ok mr. Gibbs you can buy a gun and have it by law but for me at 75 i dont get out that much now. i am going in to my 54yrs.of being out .but like i say maybe you will get to have your gun rights back. maybe befor you get as old as i am .and i do know how you feel .have agood day

    • Rozyredtoes

      Lee, you are an old fart just like me and I truly believe you should have your felony conviction wiped clean. It is to far in the past and you need to die an honorable American citizen which after reading your comments I know you are.

  • http://JAMMER28NC JAMES A GIBBS

    thanks lee,GOD BLESS YOU and thank you for your kindness.Yes i do hope your right,Ihope they do call me and say that i can or am eligible and prime candidate for my 2nd ammendment rights to be enstated,keep in touch brother and through our loving lord JESUS CHRIST EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE,,,,GOD BLESS …..GIBBS…..

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    hey c where are ya?where are you at jim?we need to come together were some of the old ones on this website dont give up now!!!!we need our 2nd ammendment rights back,,,we need a second chance!!!!!!!!

    • Hicus Dicus

      For get it. The BATF will see that it never happens.

  • http://dadf c

    still here, waiting for a miracle.

  • http://jammer28nc james gibbs

    hey c welcome back,the miracle lies within our lord but he wants us to fight and pull our weight to,how hard would it be c to get a petition started for felons to sign and comment on getting and fighting back for all our 2nd ammendment rights?we have to do something instead of talking about it ok?wheres jim maybe he can help to?we need varg in on this! you remember me dont you?see what you can find out……..gibbs……

  • http://dadf c

    First, I think we need to find an attorney whose an ex-offender, so we could lay out everything black and white. Next, come up with a well sophisticated plan to convey the message "Ex offenders are still American's yet, they're denied his/her unalienable bill of right. This includes, but not limited to the Second Amendment.

    • Rozyredtoes

      A felon can not be a member of the bar [unnecessary profanity redacted]. There is no such thing as an attorney who is a ex felon. I could be wrong but I don't think so.

      • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.c

        That is generally correct (a bit more on the background check that is part of the "character and fitness" portion of becoming a lawyer can be seen here: http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2010/03/07/kinderga… ). The short answer is that to be a lawyer, one must generally not have been convicted of a felony.

        Rozyredtoes: Why the insults and profanity? What does that add to the discussion?

      • Rozyredtoes

        Let me rephrase this, Bar association. I must be wrong. After thinking about and paying out over 250,000.00 in fees. Some of the attorneys I have hired in the past should have been convicted of felony theft. Many years ago my dad filed charges against an attorney and got him prison time, he at the time was of conviction was the governor of Oklahoma.

  • Lee75

    C says: i will go with you on this but you no they are anttorneys`out there that will work with you on this thy dont have to be ex-offenders .but you know that there is going be some money put in the pot. this will not work with out money .it would make my day to see alot of you to get your gun rights back.

    but i will always say this some of the ex-offenders do not need a gun. i am saying some not all of you. i would love to have my rights back. you guys have a good day

  • Lee75

    c says:i do know of two lawyers that are ex-felons but are they good lawyers i cant say .and it may be what type of felon they have. i dont no. i know they are as old as me

    about to be 76 .and it may be what the law was at the time they got this felone we are looking at about 50 years ago for them .

    but for me it has been 53 years for about to be 54 years for me .so have a good day guys

  • Rozyredtoes

    Dear author, Bar Ass, was short for Bar association. My mind does not run in the gutter so I did not notice.

    • http://www.learnaboutguns.com The LearnAboutGuns.c

      Hahahahaha! I withdraw my comment, if only because as a lawyer I appreciate the susceptibility of words to multiple meanings, as well as the concept of reasonable doubt.

      [Although note: "bar association" isn't the correct term, at least in most states. Generally, lawyers are members of the "bar," and "bar associations" are voluntary organizations that lawyers may choose to join to network with one another, etc.]

      • Rozyredtoes

        Dear author you must also understand that I am not to bright. The lights on the top of my Christmas tree are rapidly burning out. With a little luck some good soul might just pull the plug.

  • Marie

    Hi i am a convicted felone i got in trouble when i was 19 and im 23 now and i a college student and im studying for my degree in criminal justice i am hoping one day to be a lawyer. Also being a female some nights i am alone and i am scared because i do not have the legal right to bear arms i would love if we could do something about this.

    • Lee75

      Marie; iam so proud of you to see you make a big change in your life. and you no and see what it means to have a good lawer and you no what it means to have your rights back. they are laws out there that will let you have a gun .i think the best way to do this is to get a presadential pardon and it be put in this pardon about your gun rights .but out of all my years i have only heard of two preadents doing this that was ronald reagon and bill clinten. and now the two guys have there gun rights back.and as you do become a lawer keep this in mind not all felones needs a gun or there right back. BUT alot of them do need there gun rights back .and as time comes you will see what i am saying keep up the good wrok

      • Marie

        bill clinten was a felone???

    • Lee75

      Marie; you no if you see Bill Clinten today he will have a gun on him at all times

      and also ths ex-govenor guy hunt of AL. is also afelone anhe has a gun on him also and i no this to be so i am in Al.

      so now how good is the law ?

  • Lee75

    if i pass away today and they put a gun in the box with me they would have a law for that also .time runing out having alot of bad days

    like to see 80 but i dont no. love to see 100 to. so you guys keep working on this.maybe some one will see we all are not bad and for the good ones keep going and i see you get your guns back

    have a good day the old man on his last leg

    it is 5:05am here no have not been to bed yet

  • http://dadf titto

    how come our justice system is so punitive rather than rehabitative.

  • http://jammer28nc james a gibbs

    just tell me this guys;ive explained this time and time over but i will refresh,I was charged with breaking and enterings 20 years ago.multiple counts no gun was involved in the crime,,,yes its wrong i know that alrady,,matter of fact 20 years of suffering this on my consience.i just wish that there would or could be a law enforced that after a certain period of time say "20 years" for instance you could automatically be given another chance if you havent been in any trouble that is since your prior conviction,and guess what i havent, and i bet majority of you guys havent either.So there is the question right there is their any chance of that ever coming to pass?And that is and should be the fighting goal for a second chance like that.Is there any chance at all for me to get my 2nd ammendment rights back guys?All of you state ur oppionions,,it wont hurt my feelings,,after all,my feelings has been hurt all these years you know?I WILL CLOSE WITH THIS THOUGHT:IF A CRIM IS COMMITED WITH A GUN THEN YOUR GUN RIGHTS SHOULD BE TOOKEN AWAY, UNLESS THE INDIVIDUAL IS IN LEGIT SELF DEFENSE MODE.PLEASE REPLY BACK TO ME GUYS!!!!…………GIBBS……..

    • Marie

      i believe if there is no violence or battery charges on a person they shouldn't loose their gun rights this world is so crazy in the era in time we all humans need some right to protect ourselves from these crazy people out here i find it wrong to take this right away from us for example if i am home alone and someone tries to come into my house and kill me and i shoot them i will be charged for possesing a gun as a felone.

      • jim

        well Marie i think it would be better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6

    • Lee75

      Gibbs; what is so bad the law keeps us beaten down by are past mistakes and wont let us back up

      • Felonious Monk

        Almost like: What's the point in trying?

    • clemoswhomp

      A person who commits a a felony should have his rights curtailed no matter what the weapon is. No matter if it be a pen, words, fists or a gun the disregard of other people rights has been established. If you take with your hand something that does not belong to you or you use your hand to harm someone perhaps cutting your hand off would be a better solution. Perhaps you continuing your life with out a tool specifically designed to kill another human might be best in your case.

  • Felonious Monk

    The right to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed. No exceptions!

    Any statute that infringes an individual's right to purchase, own, carry and use a firearm is unconstitutional and, therefore, unlawful.

    Tyrants are to be overthrown, not obeyed.

    • clemoswhomp

      When you committed your felonies you infringed on parts of the constitution . An understanding of the rule of law is something you seem to lack You hurt someone some where with your misadventures. You don't seem to see it that way. That is why society has curtailed your rights and probably not enough from the attitude you are presenting. You are a convicted criminal and you are the one that caused it.

      • Felonious Monk

        The Constitution says that "society" cannot "curtail" my right to keep and bear arms for ANY reason.

        And they DON'T!

  • http://www.fennesclays.com Clay Shooting

    Speaking of tests to prove your intent & innocence, how does one guarantee abidance to the law after clearing the test?

    • hisacia

      by how many years they stayed out of trouble, and what they have done to better others lives

  • http://truthmyster.blogspot.com jim

    What the heck can we do?
    I am in the same boat with a drug felony and several DUI's. These happened in 1985. All non violent.I paid my price. No one got hurt thank goodness.
    I would love to organize something, however it seems the NRA is not even willing to help.
    If we can somehow help the NRA to realize this is a basic Second Amendment right afforded to all citizens. There is no qualifying statement in the 2nd amendment about everyone except felons.
    I only see one way to do this. We need money and the backing of the NRA and get lawyers extremely sympathetic to our cause.

    • jim

      the head of the nra is oliver north he is a felon you know the iran contra scam i wonder how he got his gun rights back

      • Viet Vet

        First of all meathead he was NOT CONVICTED of a felony. Col. North is more of a man and patriot than you could ever hope to be. I was part of the Jim and Ollie show ( As we joking refered to it as) down in Cent. Am.

      • Another Viet Vet

        Because he is a cog in their machine.

  • clemoswhomp

    Do you really believe a DUI is a non violent crime? Its like spraying the neighborhood with bullets and when they all miss its like saying that that no one got hurt so what is the big deal. When ever someone commits a crime someone somewhere gets hurt. When a perpetrator commits a crime it shows that they have no regard for other peoples rights. I guess the law has decided that if you don't care about other peoples rights nobody should care about yours. Life is harsh without many second chances, instead of worrying about gun rights make sure your offspring don't follow in your foot steps. I think that everybody should have the right to defend themselves but what I think does not matter. I guess by now you have figured out that what you think does not matter either. That is the price of being a convicted criminal.

  • Belltrout

    In the Old West,when a convict was released from prison,his firearms were waiting for him to strap back on.I am a convicted felon,convicted of a violent crime,was a crime of passion,no weapon was involved.Was on a number of illegal substances back then,didn't help matters any.God knows my remorse,but that was 25 years ago,I have changed.I know that I am far less likely to do anything to end up in prison again than the average person walking the street.Was my first and only felony.I served 3 years of physical incarceration,and am now serving a life sentence on the outside world. Legislators want to lobby for popular topics,they won't help us regain our rights.I dare any one of you stuffed shirt politicians to stand up and help make a precedent for us .Don't think it will ever happen,all we can do is keep on trying and maybe a real public servant will come along to fight for us

  • charlie

    i was convicted of a felony possesion of a fire arm without a license did my time completed parole no violations got off parole i live in a bad area because the rent is affodable i went to a flea market and puchased a 12 gague shot gun for home protection i will protect my family at all costs i hid the gun well it is a pump but i keep 1 round chamberd in case they get past my pitbull and my german shepard but if they do i will go to prison before i fail to protect my loved ones from predatory folks like you i am a god fearing man so a friend of mine got me bean bag rounds so i wouldnt have to live with blood on my hands should it ever arise i think hand guns are a problem and mabey felons shouldnt have them but a good legal shotgun should be allowed for anyone to have big brother just loves to tax and makes you think you are forgiven for your past indiscretions but you are truely screwed once you do over a year in the joint so grab a shotgun from a private seller and by all means protect your family should the situation arise the outcome if you didnt have something to protect yourself and your wife far out weighs the prison sentance

  • charlie

    part 2 of the above is the state gonna pay for your kids if anything happend to you NO are they gonna pay for counseling should any member be raped or truamatized by the event of a burglary NO are police response times that great alot can happen in 5 min heck alot can happen in 30 sec well you guys can do what you feel but me im gonna keep a shotgun always safely and responsibly god bless everyone goodnight

  • charlie

    oh i was busted with my gun not in the event of a crime but because i am white and live in an area where whites are not prevelant so they assumed i was buying drugs i informed the officers i was armed and arrested i didnt have a felony record only a small juvie record no violent crimes and a small adult record no violent crimes just wanted to say if the cops would bust the real criminals and not a scared citizen then mabey i wouldnt have needed a hand gun for protection

  • http://twitter.com/Dtownrr @Dtownrr

    Like Gibbs, I was convicted of 2 Felonies over twenty years ago. And get this… one was for having my legally purchase pistol in my car. So I finished my 2 years probation and twenty year later find out that its still hanging over my head. When does it stop. I never hurt anyone.

  • 25 yrs still paying

    we need to take this to the courts as a civil right and 2nd amendment issue they cannot revoke…

  • Black Powder

    Its my understanding that Black Powder weapons are exempt from the law so Felons can legaly own them, they are bit more involved to operate but they would be better then nothing (check your local laws, some cities, counties & states prohibit it). Remember also that our ancestors used Black powder to run off the British (Revolutionary war) and then to engage in a "Civil" War amongst themselves and it proved to be very effective in both causes.

  • ccc

    In Addition, be assure that it is in fact an antique piece and not a replica of a modern firearm.

  • danny

    i got 254 years for theft murders and rapist get off less time i did 10 years been home 6 years now on parole til2021 would love to gun hunt lets do something..

  • RICH STEPHENS

    WELL HERE IS HOW I SEE IT, I TO AM A CONVICTED FELON. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS LAW THAT ONCE YOUR CONVICTED OF A VIOLENT CRAME. YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO OWN A GUN. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS A VIOLATION OF MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT TO BARE ARMS OF ANY KIND. IN THE EARLIE 1800'S TO THE 1990'S YOU HAD A RIGHT TO DO SUCH. NOW I AM GOING TO CHALLENGE THIS CHANGE IN LAW ASAP..

  • rich tephens

    MY FEELING ON THIS, THIS IS DOUBLE JEOPARDY, ONCE YOU DO YOUR TIME AND PAY YOUR CRIME. YOU SHOULD BE REINSTATED YOUR RIGHT'S AS AN AMERCAN CITIZEN AND YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE THOSE RIGHTS QUESTIONED. IN THE EARLIE 1900'S AND LATE 1800'S THE GOVORMENT GAVE YOU A HORSE 25.00 A GUN AND OTHER THINGS TO LIVE ON ONCE YOU WERE RELEASTED FROM PRISON.. IN SOME STATES THIS IS STILL A LAW THAT HAS NOW BEEN AMENDENT. IT IS STILL ON THE BOOKS. WE AS THE PEOPLE OF THE POLITICAL END OF THE BUREACRATS NEED TO STAND UP TO THE LAW THAT WAS CHANGED.. I AM LOOKING AT THE AMERICAN SEDEL LIBERTYS UNION IN TO HELPING US ON THIS MATTER. THIS IS A DOUBLE JEOPARDY UNCONSITUTIONAL LAW TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS TO BEAR ARMS AND TO MAKE US PAY TWICE FOR THE SAME CRAIME…

  • cccc

    Unfortunately, congress has defunded the program to reinstate our right for nearly a decade. This was due to the vpo and other organizations who forbids protection for ex-offenders whether it be violent or non-violent.

  • Just another chump

    It's all about money. All of these little hitches in the law creates revenue and to many people get their pockets lined along the way. I'd like to line all of these dirty politicians up against a wall and…. and…. and…..well, never mind. If I said it I would surely never get a gun again.

  • The Patriot

    We need to organize and let those politicians know. We deserve to be able to defend our love ones and ourselves. When more supporters leave comments we should leave some good contact information …
    secondamendment_rights@yahoo.com now you have mine..

  • ccc

    If the Do not ask, Do not tell policy can be repealed so can the federal ban on ex offenders.

  • ThePatriot

    James Davidson had been abusing and harassing his wife, Catherine Ford, after their separation.[9] Catherine got a court order against James to stop his misconduct. The Grafton police knew about James, and told her that they couldn’t provide protection around the clock. One officer frankly advised her to “buy a gun because the only way to deal with violence is violence.”
    James issued his final death threat on January 16, 1986. Catherine reported this threat to the police. At about 6 o’clock the next evening, James started kicking down Catherine’s back door. When she ran out the front door, James spotted her and chased her even as she charged through moving traffic on the street. She pounded on a neighbor’s door, but no one would let her inside. As she ran to the next house, James caught her and shot her three times in the face and neck. He then shot himself. Miraculously Catherine survived, but was totally paralyzed for life.

  • ThePatriot

    The courts have decided that you have no right to expect the police to protect you from crime! Incredible as it may seem, the courts have ruled that the police are not obligated to even respond to your calls for help, even in life threatening situations! To be fair to the police, I think that many, and perhaps most, officers really do want to save lives and stop dangerous situations before people get hurt. But the key point to remember is that the courts have said they are under no legal obligation to do so.
    http://inclusion.semitagui.gov.co/Subjects/Crime/

  • ThePatriot

    DOES YOUR CONGRESSPERSON HAVE A CRIMINAL RECORD?
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  • ThePatriot

    WASHINGTON, DC — A new investigation reveals an astonishingly large number of wife-beaters, drunks, shoplifters, check-bouncers, business failures, and drug abusers in the U.S. House and Senate — which ought to make Americans think carefully before turning to Washington, DC for moral leadership
    After researching public records, newspaper articles, civil court transcripts, and criminal records, Capitol Hill Blue discovered that:
    * 29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse.
    * 7 have been arrested for fraud.
    * 19 have been accused of writing bad checks.
    * 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses.
    * 3 have been arrested for assault.
    * 71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a
    credit card.
    * 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges.
    * 8 have been arrested for shoplifting.
    * 21 are current defendants in lawsuits.
    * And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity

  • Kevin

    Can anyone help 25 years ago i was charged with several felonies for bad checks and theft of services all charges were reduced to misdeaminors and I plead guilty have stayed clean and straight for 25 years, I went to purchase a gun and was denied I have done background searches and criminal records checks with 5 different companies nothing shows up called the court checked the records all show as misdeminors but CA DOj says I am not able to purchase a gun need HELP will gladly pay for good advice

    • ThePatriot

      ." Specifically a person "convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year" cannot possess any firearm in any location. 18 U.S.C. 922(g) is the federal law that prohibits anyone ever convicted of any felony to ever possess any firearm either inside or outside of his home. The federal punishment for felon gun possession is up to 10 years in prison.

      I'm no lawyer, You may want to consult an attorney, but I think you just joined our family…. the thousands of Americans who made a mistake in the past and have to pay for it for the rest of your life. and the government is pushing for amnesty for ILLEGAL ALIENS….. WHAT A JOKE

  • ThePatriot

    A Rochester Hills man faces up to 5 years in prison — for reading his wife's e-mail…

    This fellow from Michagin is facing felonys from reading his wife email.. OMG I've read my wife's emails many times I wonder how many people if all were convicted in the United States would be felons if all were charge for this crime…

    No one would have gun rights any more …. here's the link http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-mi-read

    • FeloniousMonk

      "No one would have gun rights any more"

      That's their plan!

  • ThePatriot

    I was just emailed this and very excited I am about the thought of a bill to restore non violent felons 2nd Amendment rights.. please contact you local politician and ask them to support it..
    H.R. 2153, The Second Amendment Restoration Act (4 comments ↓ | 3 wiki edits: view article ↓)
    H.R. 2153 would amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to increase the extent to which State law is used in determining whether a criminal conviction under State law is sufficient to deny a person the right to ship, transport, possess, or receive a firearm.

    this is the info on the bill on the right you can enter your zipcode and state and it will automatically let you send you local rep and email.. thanks all http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_

  • paul

    can i own a bean bag gun i was convicted of a felony in 1995 in indiana
    i now live in texas.

  • Dudejo

    i'm surprised there isn't MORE crime considering the way felons are treated.

    after all, why respect the law when the law doesn't respect you? you'll be treated like trash either way…

  • Eric

    i HAVE A QUESTION AS WELL ..I WAS CONVICTED OF A FELONY DRUNK DRIVING 3RD OFFENSE, AND I MIGHT ADD HAVE BEEN ALCOHOL FREE FOR OVER 5YRS, AND I AM CURRENTLY THINKIN OF MOVING TO A WARMER STATE, AND ONE WHICH I COULD LEGALLY USE FIREARMS FOR HUNTING, AS OF NOW IN MICHIGAN IT'S A FELNY FOR A CONVICTED FELON TO OWN A FIREARM, ARE ALL STATES LIKE THIS, IF NOT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHICH ONES ARE GUN FRIENDLY FOR A NON VIOLENT FELON??? stingrayl82@yahoo.com

  • Paralegal

    I've read many of your comments here and I support your efforts, except for one detail. Your logic is flawed. Many of you support restoration of your 2A rights, but discriminate against a person convicted of an offense of violence: I can't support that. I can agree with time constraints for eligibility. I am not a lawyer; however, I did have a felony offense of violence almost 40 years ago. Should I be banned for life? Your call. I fought on my own and got my rights restored, have my Concealed Carry License and am 100% legal. I can tell you this; if you want multi-state legislation to have a chance, you should change the name of your club, draft a proposed bill and find someone in Congress willing to sponsor it. Good luck.

    • Dudejo

      i think the point is that if gun rights should be revoked, it should at least target the right people.

      though i do agree that lifetime bans are excessive.

    • http://twitter.com/Dtownrr @Dtownrr

      what state are you in?

  • Vicki

    Dan Puscar is not only a felon, but habitual and very violent with a mental illness that still has been in a possession of a firearm. He gives other felons poor credibility.

  • john Birgel

    I was convicted of two crimes in the early 70,s and went to federal prison for one joyriring across state lines and got 6 month to 6 year sentence and a concurrent 18 month sentence on the other.In 1999 plead no contest to simple assaut and got probation and now almost 40 years after felony convictions and 12 years after no contest to fist fighting on fishing boat in self defence I cant leagly own a fire arms,our system needs to be changed,I only use a gun. to hunt with not even self defence.I,m a non violent person and avoid all violent people ,I realy think previous posters are right ,strength is only obtained through numbers so we need to be able to contact each other so here is my email for any non violent felon to contact me at, Let,s Get This Started (jlbirgel@att.net)

  • Security

    Putting race and gender aside, cultures have come together to form societies. The elders of these societies established laws to not hold their youth accountable for crimes until they reach maturity, which is around 17 years old. Societies figured that 17 years was enough time for their youth to decide whether or not they were going to comply with the wishes of the majority. If a person, after reaching maturity, decides to create mischief or commit a crime then he/she becomes a minority and gets separated from the majority; therefore, separated from the benefits of the majority. Public education was created to properly educate the youth of the laws; however, the system seems to be failing. Be careful of your choices, they will last you a lifetime.

  • Charles

    well I was dumb well up into my middle 30s,but I feel I have the right to hunt for food just as the forefathers did. As a felon we all our rights are being stomp on, I out here break my back trying stay out of prison after doing a very long sentence, and all the democrats want is to legalize Mexicans so they can get voted back into office. Isn't about time our constitution represented all American.

  • http://www.coachoutletshophandbags.com/9-Coach-Wallets Coach Wallets

    Bureaucracy is slow. Most of my frineds are law
    Coach Necklace enforcement and corrections people. The Governmant is slanted.

  • Tim

    James is right, we need to band together. The sytem of labelling people for life is cruel and unusual punishmnet if I've ever seen it. Not only do we lose our 2nd amendment rights but it affects finding a job, helping out at your kids school, etc. Basically you are being punished for LIFE !! The only way to raise awareness is to start a group with a stated goal and work towards having the system changed. Easier said than done of course. I think we can all agree that this is worth fighting for and that WE are the only people that are willing to take the time to do anything about it. I recently looked into getting a Pardon from the Govenor, which in Wisconsin is the only way you can have your rights restored, and it is a long and expensive task with little success. There needs to be a light at the end of the tunnel for us, some type of reward for learning from our mistakes and being good, law abiding citizens. Anyone who wants to talk about forming some type of site or group can email me at breakeven37@yahoo.com

    • fred

      you may get your rights restored by your state, but the federal law still will not let you have a gun, all you'll get is a 2AM visit from the BATF

  • fred

    Why dosen't someone just bring up the simple fact that if you commit a felony and get sentenced to say, 5 years, eventually you get out of prison, finish your sentence or parole. Your sentence actually just started, you may have got 5 yrs, but you'll be paying the rest of your life, you can't go hunting with a gun, you can't tend bar or cut hair, there are very few things that you can do even driving a fuel oil truck will not be allowed, you have toi hacve a Haz mat license now and after the state and fed investigate you, you'll most likely be turned down for the license.

  • varg

    Victory.

    Its been a long time since I posted here, but I have been fighting the federal usurpation of Ohio's Restoration law for 10 years. This week, on Thursday, we finally struck a blow. We pushed a bill through that removed the language that the unconstitutional thug agency the ATF used under the Caron case to strike down anyone with an Ohio Restoration of Firearms rights. Now, according to the law which is to be retroactive, anyone who has an Ohio Restoration is completely legal under federal law.

    I never, ever thought this day would come. We worked hard for many years to make this happen. The turning of the tide in politics made this possible. In less than 90 days, I will once again have my firearms rights back. I own a business, with a retail location, and owning a weapon could mean saving mine or my loved ones life during a robbery or break in.

    Of course, this does not mean that the nasty feds will not try some other avenue to usurp power from the states and turn us up again. But as of now, we have beat their legal grounds with legislative changes. Remember, the most important part of this is that we did it. So, don't give up. You just have to work hard and work smart. Be law abiding and use the channels of politics to conquer your enemies.

    • Got Guns, Got Rights

      It is good to know that gun owners still have enough sane friends in the political system. Looks as though society has not gone totally insane to make self defense and personal protection illegal.

    • Chris

      Congratulations varg this is my first post but I have read every post on here, you have worked hard and smart on your issue you are a inspiration. I live in Missouri and in 2007 got a 3rd dui in Kansas and charged with a state dui felony my 2 previous ones were in 89 and 95. I served my 120 days did my 1 yr probation and have been sober since 2007 have never been in any trouble other than that. I know in Missouri that I can have a antique firearm as stated by federal law and Missouri law, I live in the country and have hunted all my life but now after the felony I am wanting to go hunting with family and friends but I am not sure about riding in a boat or truck with the other firearms that they would be using they all would have trigger locks up until they were ready to use them, but I keep hearing about ( constructive possession ) can you shed some light on what that means. Also hypothetically could I move to Ohio and be able to use the Restoration law I know you all have some great deer and duck hunting there. I understand in no way is this legal advice just thought maybe you or learnaboutguns or anyone else might have some input. AGAIN CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!!!!

  • fred

    I just believe that anyone who is not behi nd bars should have a gun or what ever they think they need to protect their family, If they're so dangerous, then, they shouldn't be on the streets. A gun in your hand anyday is better than a cop on the phone when someone is breaking down your door, I'd rather have another felony than have my family robbed, abused or molested.

    • zap’s

      Fred,i agree with you one hundred percent,my first and last felony happened when i was was 15yrs old,i was molested by one of my school teachers and took the law into my own hands,i was charged with attempted murder,im 51yrs old and I still have nightmares of what that bastard did to me,he never went to jail but i did

    • PureTexan

      Go head try it they lock yo ass up in federal prison go 10 year quicker than a cat can lick his whiskers

  • Ex-con Shooting

    Thursday – July 7, 2011: An ex-con killed seven people, held several others hostage in a Michigan home before killing himself.
    http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/08/michigan.shoo

    • fred

      It just proves that if a person wants a gun, they'll get one, also count the number on people killed everyday by people who aren't ex-cons, they don't make the national headlines, just te excons do because they sell papers and feed the media,

  • for the above

    You're an ignorant douche, even non ex offenders kill people! Take Loughner for example.

    • Teenage Shooting

      Thursday – July 7, 2011: A 16-year-old boy accused of killing his 8-year-old cousin called the shooting an accident Thursday afternoon before his first court appearance…
      http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/teen-charged-in-8-

  • Chris

    Congratulations varg this is my first post but I have read every post on here, you have worked hard and smart on your issue you are a inspiration. I live in Missouri and in 2007 got a 3rd dui in Kansas and charged with a state dui felony my 2 previous ones were in 89 and 95. I served my 120 days did my 1 yr probation and have been sober since 2007 have never been in any trouble other than that. I know in Missouri that I can have a antique firearm as stated by federal law and Missouri law, I live in the country and have hunted all my life but now after the felony I am wanting to go hunting with family and friends but I am not sure about riding in a boat or truck with the other firearms that they would be using they all would have trigger locks up until they were ready to use them, but I keep hearing about ( constructive possession ) can you shed some light on what that means. Also hypothetically could I move to Ohio and be able to use the Restoration law I know you all have some great deer and duck hunting there. I understand in no way is this legal advice just thought maybe you or learnaboutguns or anyone else might have some input. AGAIN CONGRATULATIONS !!!!!!!!

    • guest

      personally, I wouldn't be around any guns other than antique fire arms unless I was on land and in the field, I will not even ride in a car with one round of ammo in it, all it takes is one cop who needs an arrest or is having a bad day and you're cooked, I read about a couple homeless guys who were sleeping under a bridge in Missouri, one of them had a record and had picked up a couple rounds of 22 that was laying on the gd not knowing that he was in violation, when the guys walked out on the rd, a cop cked them out and found the 22s, he asked if he had a record, you know the rest of the story.Now he is doing 10 yrs in prison.

      • Armored Business

        Some people work with guns, live with guns, eat and sleep with guns. I could not bare to think what it would be like not to be able to protect ourselves without guns. There was a colleague who was charged with a DUI last week, and his CCW was pulled pending trial. He probably will be fired since guns are required for employment and the tool of the business.

  • rlwieneke

    Arkansas Code
    Title 16 – Practice, Procedure, And Courts
    Subtitle 6 – Criminal Procedure Generally
    Chapter 90 – Judgment And Sentence Generally
    Subchapter 9 – Expungement and Sealing of Criminal Records
    16-90-902 – Effect of expungement.

    (a) An individual whose record has been expunged in accordance with the procedures established by this subchapter shall have all privileges and rights restored and shall be completely exonerated, and the record which has been expunged shall not affect any of his or her civil rights or liberties unless otherwise specifically provided by law.
    (b) Upon the entry of the uniform order to seal records of an individual, the individual's underlying conduct shall be deemed as a matter of law never to have occurred, and the individual may state that no such conduct ever occurred and that no such records exist.

    • guest

      to have all your rights back, you have to have the federal government expunge your record and the state where you werte sentenced expunge your record, so just because one expunges and the other don't, you still have the record and haven't really got any rights back .

      • rlwieneke

        Federal law then requires the FBI to adjust its records accordingly. This requirement is spelled out in the Code of Federal Regulations. More particularly, 28 C.F.R. Section 16.34 specifies:
        http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/background-check

        U.S. Department of Justice Order 556-73

        Title 28 CFR Part 16 – Production or Disclosure of material or information

        16.34 Procedure to obtain change, correction or updating of Identification Records.

        If, after reviewing his/her Identification Record, the subject thereof believes that it is incorrect or incomplete in any respect and wishes changes, corrections, or updating of the alleged deficiency, he/she should make application directly to the agency which contributed the questioned information. The subject of a record may also direct his/her challenge as to the accuracy or completeness of an entry on his/her record to the FBI, Criminal Justice Information Services Division, Attn: SCU, Mod.D-2, 1000 Custer Hollow Road, Clarksburg, WV 26306. The FBI will then forward the challenge to the agency which submitted the data requesting that agency to verify or correct the challenged entry. Upon the receipt of an official communication directly from the agency which contributed the original information, the FBI CJIS Division will make any changes necessary in accordance with the information supplied by that agency.

      • rlwieneke

        http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e0406/resu

        According to FBI NICS management, states are responsible for entering the names of persons whose rights have been restored into one of the criminal databases (III or NCIC). If this is properly done, the NICS check should identify not only the prohibiting factor, but also the restoration. However, considering the inaccessibility and incompleteness of some state criminal history records, it is unlikely that restoration information will be identified during the NICS check.40

  • rlwieneke

    Attorney General MARK PRYOR
    Opinion No.2002-173
    July 16, 2002 http://ag.arkansas.gov/opinions/docs/2002-173.doc

    Individuals who were properly sentenced for felonies under either Act 346 of 1975 (the “First Offender Act”), or under A.C.A. § 5-64-407 (for first time drug offenders), for crimes committed prior to March 13, 1995 (the effective date of Act 595 of 1995), and who successfully complete their probationary period and later have a valid expungement order entered by the court are not ineligible to possess firearms. They will thus not be subject to prosecution for possession of a firearm while engaged in hunting activities. The Arkansas Supreme Court has made this clear in State v. Warren, 345 Ark. 508, 49 S.W.3d 103 (2001) and State v. Ross, 344 Ark. 364, 39 S.W.3d 789 (2001).

  • Matt Ersnott

    Hows this for screwed. I was convicted of a crime 20+ years ago. Since, I have voted, owned my own business because I could'nt get a decent job. Raised and got full custody of my children and have not been back. I am out with my wife and we find an old shotgun not even together.Dont work at all. I had an asshole cop decide he was going to search my camping trailor and he lied to the judge to the reason for that now Im looking at eight years.. Im too old to do this shit again. Well good luck getting your rights back…See ya around ppl.:)

  • Matt Ersnott

    Its matt again. but thats not the kicker, I have aquired all my voteing, was asked to be on a jury as in jury duty. I have all my rights back and now this..

  • guest

    It's a manditory 10 yrs if a felon if caught with a weapon, many states allow felons to vote when their parole is finished. when the board of elections find out about your arrest record, you will not be asked to serve on a jury again.

  • Dominique Osorio

    I do not agree with all felons being not able to have a gun . The reason I say this is for example…….. in the town i live in in Va. I have a personal frien the was convicted of a felony in Va. and now ser our town as the Assistant chief of police. He has done so for years with honor. Also the town i live in is very close to the state line between VA & NC during my travels in NC. I have come across two convicted felons the is currently Serving as elected Sheriff's !!!!!!! if you have questions about this please feel free to contact me about this at dominiquemillionaire@yahoo.com

  • Todd

    Ok I'm a felon. I was caught 6 years ago growing marajuana 21 plants, trafficing "cause I had paper bags in my house" and a misdemeanor for the grow system. I was givin a class d felony and 5 years probation. I've gotten my voting rights back. It wasn't a violent charge though I did have my guns in the house but not loaded or even in the same room as the system. I've been hunting since I was 7 years old now I can't without worrying about a gun charge. I haven't been in any trouble since that day. I pay taxes, I vote,and own property. Why don't I fall in the ranks of " We the people" I had a momentary lapses of reasoning. I know I done wrong and have paid it back. HELP US ALL PLEASE! From Kentucky.

    • fred

      Black Powder firearms are not considered as fire arms by the fed Gov and many states, you should ck out kentucky to see if you can hunt with a muzzel loader.
      The federal laws governing firearms do not classify muzzleloaders as a "firearm" , and in most states you can buy one with no paperwork or background check. However that does not make it technically legal for a felon to poses it.

      many state let people vote again after they're off parole or probation.

  • Ron H.

    I had my gun rights restored in VA by going to the local circuit court and suing the state of VA.
    Since I had not committed a violent crime and had some very good references, Chief of Police, Local DA, my city Councilman and a VA State Senator, my right to vote, own a gun, and hold public office was restored.
    It can be done, if you turn your life around for the better and give back to your community.

    • fred

      state rights are fairly easy, then you have to get your Federal rights back, there are many people who got their state rights back then had a 2 AM no knock entrance into their house by the BATF because they were violating Federal law by having a gun and that's a manditory 10 yrs.

  • Thomas C. Riggle

    In 1998 I was covicted of selling $300.00 of narcotics. My first and only offense, it has been over ten years, I have a wife and two kids, my own land and house, and my crime was not violant. Nor was there any firearms involved. I served two and a half years in a federal facility, six months in a halfway house, and six months on an ankle braclet, and three years probation. still I have not yet provento someone that i deserve my rights back…….. what do I have to do or talk to, to get my rights back. any information will help please……. Does the ammendents only protect those who have not commeted a crime!!!!!!!! If so noone should have their rights because everyone has commited a crime at some point in their lives.

    • fred

      in the 90s, president Clinton defunded the dept. that could expung your record, you better try for a presidental pardon, good luck

    • duvalboy2004

      stop taking this crap from your oppressor

  • brian

    i am a convicted felon for non violent burglary and i think its bs for me not to b able to deer hunt they have taken my constitutional right to bare arms away and that sux i love to deer hunt but now no one will let me hunt at all i want my rights back i am an american i have that right and the constitution states that this right can NEVER BE TAKEN FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN TREASON!!!!

    • Russ

      My name is Russell.i am a cinvicted felon from 1990. i served my time in county jail for just under 7 mounths and i worked every day during that time i was let off probation 6 months early also. i have been denied a pardon 2 times. I am now starting to apply for a black powder permit and that is just as much of a pain as applying for a pardon. I have been a fire fighter for 25 years for my community and can not get a break. i want ot hunt but all i can use is a bow.

  • Nicole

    My husband was convicted of not paying his back taxes on his ex-wives house. His "right to bear arms" was taken away from him, (they stated it was to do contempt of court), he is currently serving weekends for 30 days. Is this legal as he hunts?

  • Nicole

    My boyfriend was recently sentenced to 30 days to be served on weekends only, in Kentucky, while in front of the Judge his ex-wife's attorney, as he had no attorney, suggested to the Judge that his "right to own a gun" be taken away. This all came down to him not paying his back taxes on a house they owned together over a decade ago. Is this legal?

  • Martin

    http://www.americanpardons.com is a website I found to help you get the job done…. cost is $250 for the do it yourself kit and $495 for the we do it for you kit…. no promises or refunds but I am thinking about ordering it myself. Check it out and see what you think….

  • John1234

    I was told. As long as I did not get a dishonorable. Discharge from navy I could get conceled weapons lic in Florida when they ran my FBI check it came back with a charge of diseration which had no info on what punishment I got that's because there was none I got returned to active duty and got cap tins mass never got court mathial or jail time The nave refuses to provide the outcome I got out after a while on a other then honorable but as I read the laws. All discharges except a. Dd are exempt from taking your rights away I was 20 years old then iam 51 now and this oases never came up on any police FBI back ground check before never arrested any other time in my life

  • Jeff

    OK, I'm not a felon and I've never been arrested but last year a friend of mine that has owned several firearms his entire adult life had his firearms confiscated when the Police ran a back ground check on him and found out he had a past felony on his record.

    Now I can understand him loosing his rights if he had a history of violence or if this felony was recent, but no his felony happened in the late 1960's and in fact he never even knew he had a felony record.

    Back in the 1960's he was in Vietnam and was on R and R in Tokyo Japan, when he was jumped on and he defended himself in a bar and was arrested and he went to the Brig for less than 7 days and was released and sent back to Vietnam into Combat and never got in trouble again, in fact this guy is so straight he has never even gotten a speeding ticket.

    Now I've lost my hunting buddy that I have went hunting with for almost 20 years and I'm angry and I think these laws need to be revisited and his rights restored.

  • Shippuden

    Words cannot describe how distrurbing that was to read. "…it's pretty enjoyable" How could someone say that about strangling the life out of a child?

  • http://www.omgcellphones.com paul

    wow thoughs words there, i liked the article but think tha is kind of stupid why someone who is not a danger for the society cant protect for the real danger out there, those low levels crimes like smoking marihuana or whatever its just something even healthy not for a crime penalty….

  • Stephen

    WOW! That story about the feds going after someone for a 50 year old felony. LOL Give me a break now. That is absurd.

  • Jason

    I was convicted for attempted carrying a concealed weapon. I did nothing wrong other than having a gun. I lost my rights for just having a handgun in Michigan.
    Even though nothing about what happened was violent. At the wrong place at the wrong time. I will not ever get my rights back.

    • Robert S. Bartosh

      Yes you can

      In the state of Michigan, it is unlawful for a person convicted of a felony to possess, carry or use a firearm unless their right to possess carry or use the firearm has been restored. If their firearm rights have not been restored they can be charged and convicted of another felony for which the maximum penalty is five years in prison. How does a felon restore their firearm rights? There are two ways and it depends upon the original felony that was committed.

      First, if the felony is one of the following then a restoration process must be held:

      – Any felony involving the unlawful possession, distribution, or manufacture of a controlled substance

      – Any felony involving the unlawful possession of a firearm

      – Any felony involving the unlawful use of an explosive

      – Burglary or breaking and entering of a occupied home

      – Any felony that involves harming or assaulting another person

      – Arson

      If you have been convicted of one or more of the above felonies and five years have expired after you have successfully completed all terms of parole or probation including all fines paid you can apply for a firearms restoration by doing the following:

      Apply to the concealed weapons licensing board in the county you live in. Metro Detroit County links are below. They will schedule a hearing.

      Oakland County Board, Wayne County Board, Macomb County Board

      At a county gun board hearing if you can clearly and convincingly prove that your record and reputation are such that it is not likely that you will act in a manner that is dangerous to the public in any way the gun board MUST restore your rights to possess, use, purchase and carry a firearm.

      If in the event they deny the application you are entitled to appeal the decision to the circuit court.

      Second, if the conviction is any other felony not specifically listed above then your firearm rights are automatically restored after the following conditions have been meet:

      – The expiration of three years

      – Successful completion of all conditions or probation or parole.

      A county gun board hearing is not required.

      Further, this procedure also applies to federal misdemeanor gun possession charges. Therefore, if a person has fully restored their gun possession rights it provides a defense to Federal Firearm Possession pursuant to Title 18 of the United States Code Section 921(a)(20). This defense applies if the restoration is automatic or through a gun board hearing.

      Please be advised that if your state gun rights have been restored that does not mean your federal rights have been restored. Each case must be evaluated individually to determine exclusions under federal law. Some offenses will be and others will not. The question becomes under what circumstances do federal law enforcement authorities enforce federal firearm statutes.

      At the time of first publishing this blog federal enforcement directives were clear. At this time each case must be evaluated individually before this office can advise on the restoration of state gun rights.

      If you, or a loved one, needs an attorney to assist with the restoration of firearm rights in the Metro Detroit counties of Oakland, Wayne or Macomb contact attorney Barton Morris at (248) 541-2600.

  • howhighcanuget

    Ask any convicted felon about gun ownership and they will more then likely tell you it sucks that because they stole something they now forever cant own a firearm and hunt like any other normal person. But then again it seems to me that its the normal people never arrested for anything doing 99% of the killing with guns and not convicted felons. Convicted felons can be trusted, they should be able to own firearms if they pass a mental health evaluation by qualified professionals. But you know, there is always a way around things for those who are responsible. Convicted felons can own a bow for hunting which is twice as lethal as a gun because it is silent, and deadly at 75 yards or less.

    But thats not the issue, its gun control to prevent more street deaths, so here is the remedy, listen up for all you law abiding convicted felons who want to hunt with a gun or have one for home defense.

    You are allowed to own a BB GUN!!! now you may laugh but here is something you probably dont know, these types of air guns shoot up to 50 cal and include 9mm and the like rounds but they work on air not a cartridge to project the led down range.

    Look up the Quackenbush air gun.

    now any convicted felon can own one of these because babies and not have to register it or fear being arrested for violation of any state or federal laws.

    Check with your state and the websites that sell these guns and to my knowledge there are only a few states and city's that wont even allow a bb gun.

    Happy hunting to all of you who are not morons and who are responsible convicts.

    Just a note, in the late 80's I did some time for a burglary, that makes me a violent felony offender because someone could have been home and got injured, or I may have gotten shot because there was a gun in the safe we stole. When I got out of prison I decided to change my life around and that I did. I got married and had children owned a couple business in the area, donated to charity and I went back to the court that sentanced me and asked for my firearms to be restored, was shot down.

    The Judges secretary said to me that the judge didn't like me then and he still don't like me now. Thats his reason, its personal, its a power trip and people like him shouldn't own a gun. He is emotionally unstable and lacks the capacity to separate his emotions from reality. Thats why I looked up the air guns, these I can own without having to beg a jack ass judge for something I know I am qualified to own responsibly.

    Here is a last story, after prison I got married and had children and owned several local businesses. My uncle was a pilot and I had always wanted to be like him and fly. So I went to take a flight at a flight school and was hooked. I had to fly, no mater what I wanted to be in the air.

    I have a 27 page criminal record with DCJS and NCIC. All as a youth so dont be frightened. I had to take a physical to fly and one of the questions was, have you ever been convicted of a felony? ooh shit, cant get away from this question anywhere in life these days. I answered yes. It said to list the crime convicted, and I put in the box, " to many to list".

    I continued to fly through a flight school everyday and went to ground school at a local college in upstate new york. One day I got a letter from the FAA that said I could no longer fly due to my criminal record.

    Wow! of course when your doing something you like, someone has to throw cold watter on ya so, I decided that I was not going to settle with the answere and pleaded with the FAA to allow me to continue flying and this is what happened.

    I received a letter that stated i have to get all of my pre-sentanceing reports and submit them to a drug and alcohol evaluation agency and then that info and their report has to be sent to a PHD Phycologist in the aviation field and I had to take a battery of tests. Those combined reports now had to go to a PHD psychiatrist who specializes in aviation. Those combined tests and evaluations were then sent to the FAA where a team of psychiatrists evaluated the information.

    I did everything they asked and to my surprise, they gave me one year to obtain my pilots license on a probationary term. I was blessed to find out and graduated first in my class three months later. I had to go back to see the psychiatrist one year later and he congratulated me and recommended to the FAA that my privileges were properly earned and hat I was not a danger to society or myself. This all happened post 911 and even though I am a licensed pilot and can fly anywhere in the world, I still cant own a darn gun, does anyone know how frustrating that is.

    Well all I can say is, I can own a BB Gun and although they are just as deadly as a cartridge fired weapon, I can at least hunt with it and take down an elk, deer, bison or any other big game. 50 cal is 50 cal and even though its not a conventional firearm, it looks like one, shoots like one, with air not an explosion.

    Quackenbush Air Guns are the best.

    • logic & reason

      some states consider even compressed air propelled ammunition weapons the same as firearms… sorry to say.

  • http://twitter.com/MagisterPhillip @MagisterPhillip

    http://www.williamslawonline.com/Press-Room/Top-1

    To all intents and purposes, once you are convicted of a felony? Kiss legal gun ownership goodbye forever. ANyone who tells you different, even an attorney, is ignorant of the federal statutes. Sorry guys. It sucks, but there it is.

    • logic & reason

      from what I understand and I’m no attorney or LEO but that “rule” only applies to Federal felony crimes. State felony crimes are an entirely different matter and handled by the individual states.

  • james a gibbs

    THATS whats need a test fo all non voilent felons that takes up to 6 months to year to pass so we can get ourt gun rights back LOUISIANA have some the most mess up laws period . early this year in louisiana i man was sitting in his house three man came in his house and jumped him he died right there on his leave floor if he had his gun rights he might have a fighting chance .murder in his own home

  • Todd Hunter

    Is there a fight for us….I was a bad boy and have changed my life 100%… I would love to hunt with a gun protect my home as I am a home owner…But the chances are thin….I vote and sat on Grand Jury….I was on a panel that indited a police officer for killing his girlfriends 18 month old daughter, he abused her and beat her…Now this shows that we cannot predict who is violent until the act is committed…Now how can I convict a person of a violent crime or gun charge when I connot own a gun myself….Also during my grand jury duty we served a murder case where a man was shot point blank in the face with a shot gun…..How does all this seem possible and constitutionally fair to one in my shoes…..I work hard today in life ..I pay taxes..Im sending my daughter to college…..I did wrong and did my time …Dont you think its time to let me live free…..contact me at BACKWOODSHUNTER863@HOTMAIL .COM….Thank You

  • jhon

    will i be able to possess a firearm if i was 14 and got a felony for burglary and vandalism i got sent to camp for 1 year does it affect my gun rights if it was a non violent crime……..im 24 now i have a duaghter and a wife i have to protect now and the area we live in is really bad,does anybody know the answer to this question.please answer back…….

  • jhon

    will i be able to possess a firearm if i was 14 and got a felony for burglary and vandalism i got sent to camp for 1 year does it affect my gun rights if it was a non violent crime……..im 24 now i have a duaghter and a wife i have to protect now and the area we live in is really bad,does anybody know the answer to this question.please answer back…….

    • duvalboy2004

      have a gun and keep quiet

  • errol bankston

    I was convicted in 1976 of robbery and was sentenced to 19 months in prison.I was released in Sept.1979 and have not since been in trouble with the law.I am from the state of Ohio and as they say,the Lord may forgive you but Ohio will not.It's like doing time on the streets.I cannot own a firearm,I cannot apply for certain jobs..How long until we are forgiven for our past mistakes?I am now 63 years old.A taxpaying,law abiding citizen with 17 grandchildren.Nixon perpetrated treason against the entire nation and thay have a library for him.All I want is my rights restored under the US Constitution.As a thought,why do they make us pay income and other taxes and not afford us equal rights.

    • PureTexan

      No matter the state law the federal law trumps it and a convicted felon will go to federal prison for being in pos soon in your home

  • S,D

    What i find that i mayself think is funny is i just got released of my probation here in missouri for a non violant crime. In the envelope that i recived from the probation and parole was a voter registration card……. no joke….. they want my tax money, and damn sure want my vote but also want my hunting rights. I understand that everybody is entitled to there on thoughts and mine is that yes iam a convicted felon ive completed all the stipulations that i was asked to do by the court, paid my debt to society and have my release papers to prove all of this…. i fell that the american citizens that have no criminal records should beable to have and carry any firearm they want and yes iam saying this as a felon….. any felon convicted of any NON violant crime should also be allowed to posses firearms BUT we the non violant felons should be the ones tbat should have to have our backgrounds checkex and have to register our firarms so they coukd be traced back to us. It seems to me that the non violant average citizens is labeled a criminal just because thay want to purchase a firearm. It seems backwards to me. In short we felons should have to register our firarms so they could be tracked and traced back to us. If you have been convicted of any violant crime or CRIME involving a weapon of any kind the no you should never jave the right to own a firearm…. jus sayin

  • R.S

    Has anybody had there gun rights restored in Texas or other states.They want let me place the add I want to.

  • michelle

    ok i got charged with embezzlement and it was a class u felony does anyone know if i can own a gun and if i can get this off my record i got into trouble in 2008 please helo

  • Gforce_ad

    The safe streets and neighborhoods act of 2002 0r 2003, started in Norfolk because of gang violence, they tried it and loved it so much the feds picked it up, and state law usually mirrors fed law, so all states followed suit. This act made it a federal offence for a convicted felon to possess a firearm. Now, in North Carolina, they say we (felons) can have Black powder firearms because they are considered primitive weapons, and get this, you can buy one without a permit, like buying a bb gun. 2 out of ten folks in NC have a possession of firearm by convicted felon charge, gun collections that have been passed down for generation have been stolen by the police. Sad picture that is happening NOW for the past 10 years…

  • Gforce_ad

    I would also like to comment prior to safe streets and neighborhoods act, North Carolina convicted felon citizens could own/posses firearms with barrels over 18" and 27 overall, rifles and shotguns, but no pistols.

  • April

    I live in Texas but was convicted of 2 felonies(at the same time) in Kansas over 10 yrs ago. They were non violent and I would like to know how I would go about petitioning to get my rights back. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I also have not been in any trouble since that incident.

    • Robert S. Bartosh

      http://www.ksag.org/files/2010_Summa…-_Website2.pdf

      75-7c04
      ** The criminal history and other background disqualifying events have significantly changed
      for CCH licensing in Kansas. SB 306 amended subsection (a) to have five primary requirements –
      two of those primary requirements (eligibility to ship, transport, receive and possess firearms under
      State and Federal law) have several components within them. Those subrequirements are explained
      a little further down.
      CCH applicants in Kansas must be:
      (1) 21 years of age or older;
      (2) A resident of the state (no time limitation anymore);
      (3) A resident of the county that they are applying;
      (4) Eligible to possess firearms under Federal law (18 USC 922(g) & (n)); and
      (5) Eligible to possess firearms under Kansas law (KSA 21-4204(a)).
      First, a quick synopsis of what was removed from the criminal history disqualifications.
      (1) Completed diversions are no longer disqualifications – no matter what the
      offense was for (see note below);
      (2) DUI’s: currently, felony DUI convictions or 2 misdemeanor DUI convictions
      (which includes diversions) within the 5 years immediately before application
      would disqualify an applicant; now only a felony DUI will disqualify an
      applicant (see state law explanation below for further explanation of this point);
      (3) Misdemeanor controlled substances (drugs): Currently misdemeanor drug
      convictions and diversions disqualify if they occurred within the 5 years
      immediately before application OR if they qualified for denial due to a
      permanent firearm possession ban under KSA 21-4204(a)(2); now only the
      permanent ban will disqualify for a misdemeanor drug conviction (see state law
      explanation below);
      (4) Unlawful concealed carry under 21-4201(a)(4) and “CUI” violations: currently
      convictions or diversions for these offenses or similar violations from another
      jurisdiction would disqualify an applicant if they had occurred within the 5 years
      before application; as of July 1, these will no longer be considered;
      (5) Expungement requirement for felonies: This post-conviction (or post-diversion)
      remedy will no longer be required if the applicant has a felony criminal history;
      HOWEVER, an expungement of the offense WILL NOT relieve most firearm
      prohibitions under state or federal law so those requirements still have to be met
      in order to be eligible for licensure (see below);
      (6) Contempt of Court for child Support proceedings will no longer be a
      consideration;
      (7) US Citizenship: this will be expanded as per federal requirements (see below);
      (8) Suicide attempts within the 5 years immediately before applying are also no
      longer a consideration (see mental health explanations below).
      NOTE ON DIVERSIONS: An individual who is still under the terms of a diversion agreement with
      a prosecutor’s office still has charges pending against them until they successfully complete the
      diversion program. Therefore, they are still be considered “under indictment” for purposes of
      federal prohibitions of 18 USC 922(n). This would only apply to any offense where the possible
      punishment involves imprisonment for over a year – which means almost all felony charges. The
      Unit would advise anyone who is currently subject to a diversion agreement for a felony level
      offense that they should wait until their diversion terms are successfully completed and the case is
      dismissed before applying.
      FEDERAL LAW REQUIREMENTS – 18 USC 922(g) & (n)
      Many of these requirements were already a part of the KPFPA since its inception, in fact,
      only a few were not. Here are the current Federal prohibitions to being eligible to ship, transport, possess or receive a firearm (applicable subsections are noted parenthetically after
      the disqualifier):
      (1) Anyone convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term
      exceeding one year; (g)(1)
      (2) Anyone who is a fugitive from justice; (g)(2)
      (3) Anyone who is an unlawful user of or addicted to a controlled substance; (g)(3)
      (4) Anyone who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed
      to a mental institution; (g)(4)
      (5) Anyone who is an illegal or unlawful alien; or an alien here in the United States
      under nonimmigrant VISA; (g)(5)
      (6) Anyone who has been dishonorably discharged from the military; (g)(6)
      (7) Anyone who has renounced their U.S. citizenship status; (g)(7)
      (8) Anyone who is subject to a court ordered protection order that the individual had
      notice of and an opportunity to participate at and are still prohibited from
      harassing, stalking, threatening, using physical force against an intimate partner
      or child. These protection orders also apply to anyone who has been found to be
      a credible threat to the physical safety of an intimate partner or child even if there
      are no explicit prohibitions against using or threatening physical force; (g)(8)
      (9) Anyone who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of
      domestic violence; (g)(9)
      (10) Anyone who is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a
      term exceeding one year. (n)
      Many of the terms used above, such as those in italics, have specific definitions under
      federal statute, regulation or have been explored and explained through federal case law. Please
      refer to the updated Concealed Carry Application and the “FAQ” forms for these definitions. The
      Unit will do our best to keep definitions and case law up to date so that potential applicants can
      have a good idea as to whether or not they are disqualified. However, these concepts and terms are
      ever-evolving through case law and can depend upon the minute facts or intricacies of a case.
      Therefore, each applicant needs to understand that the information published by the Unit is only
      intended as a general guide. An Applicant’s criminal and civil history is just that – the Applicant’s.
      It is ultimately up to the Applicant to ensure their own compliance before applying – the Unit
      cannot give individualized legal advice or concrete preemptory decisions of qualification.
      The Unit is tasked with a broad reading of the KPFPA and we will do just that. However,
      just because the Unit interprets your criminal and civil history as being okay, that does not mean the
      federal government will also – and the federal interpretation will control in the end. The above
      disqualifications come through the federal system of government – the Unit may make an
      interpretation mistake from time to time (it has happened). If an applicant has an issue with the way
      the Unit is interpreting the federal law with respect to an incident in the applicant’s criminal (or
      civil) history, then the Unit’s decisions can be challenged administratively and, ultimately, in the
      State court system.
      STATE DISQUALIFICATIONS FOR FIREARM POSSESSION: KSA 21-4204
      All adult convictions or juvenile adjudications for felony level offenses will require a
      minimum of a five year firearm possession ban under K.S.A. 21-4204(a)(3). There are, however, several other situations that can arise depending upon the facts of the individual’s criminal case that
      will dictate up to an additional 5 year ban – or potentially a lifetime ban. Remember, under Kansas
      law, the restoration of firearm rights is automatic – a previously prohibited person does not have to
      take any affirmative steps to restore their rights once eligible again. The only real world advice the
      Unit offers in this context is for the individual to be sure that they are in compliance (consult with
      private legal counsel) before possessing firearms again.
      Under K.S.A. 21-4204(a)(1) and (a)(2), the lifetime firearm prohibitions are laid out. If an
      individual is deemed to be “addicted to or an unlawful user of” controlled substances, then they are
      not allowed to possess firearms under (a)(1). Under (a)(2), if the individual has been convicted as
      an adult or adjudicated as a juvenile for any “person felony” (or crime now classified as such) AND
      they were found to be in possession of a firearm at the time of the offense, then they are
      permanently barred.
      Under subsection (a)(4)(A), there are several felonies enumerated that require 10 years to
      have elapsed since conviction or release from imprisonment. These are felonies where a firearm
      cannot have been possessed by an individual at the time of the offense. Although this 10 year
      period can be severed early if the conviction is expunged or pardoned – many of the listed felonies
      are not expungeable under KSA 21-4619, therefore, the full 10 year prohibition will usually have to
      be satisfied.
      Under subsection (a)(4)(B), there is a 10 year prohibition from conviction, adjudication or
      release from imprisonment for individuals with a nonperson felony where a firearm was possessed
      at the time of the offense (this 10 year prohibition is not severable with an expungement or pardon).
      NOTE: As indicated, some of the possession bans under 21-4204 are measured from date of release
      from imprisonment for a crime – not the conviction date. Generally speaking, “imprisonment” will
      refer to time spent within the custody of the Kansas Department of Corrections’ facilities. If such
      has not occurred, a person’s eligibility will more than likely be judged from the date of conviction.
      SB 306 eliminated the need for Kansas CCH licensees to complete a renewal training course
      prior to renewing their license. This elimination is seen through the removal of old subsection (c)
      of this statute. While KSA 75-7c08 deals with the renewal process in general, that statute did not
      originally install the need for a renewal training course so similar strikings are not seen under 75-
      7c08.

    • Robert S. Bartosh

      Texas you can have a gun in your home but can not bring it off your property

      texas law

      • Mateo Ross

        Really, so I can buy a home-defense shotgun even with a felony record?

        • PureTexan

          No

        • Ken Plowman

          you could pick up a 300.00 cap and ball muzzloader and set it right inside the front door and no body can say anything about it, you could also make the argument that hunting rifles and shotguns are not regulated and the personal sale or transfer is not unlawful between two citizens so therefore, sporting firearms could be exempt . but I wouldn’t try it w/o a good attorney on the re-tain

      • PureTexan

        It’s still a federal crime in texas to be in possession of a handgun in your home

    • William morris

      Sheriff can have sex and. Explain that you know their supervisor. Can be. Known for staging what they call giving each other a blow job and asking police why your around and be the same sheriff who orders pizza. Near your home window. Claim they want to have sex with your friends girlfriend as FBI and create. A following so they can prey on your miss fortune.. Wantingvto follow you for. FBI who were. Wanting you to be a failure. And recently wants. Ssi. To be reason they follow you. Your rights are limited even if police. Park near your car for women of hwy patrol orc. AAA their locating you. Gives them. Rest. From a man they don’t know. Pretend to know. That San Diego police. Wanted. On housing authority watch. As a joke. Since your not going to receive millions. And your parents help us make you poor or missing life. Their place as sheriff. To try to make you look so they can hold you in prison

      Your job. Is to prove they. Are. Like you and want to be millionaires. And sexy. Watch you. Cross. The street. I was his friend but now he is being a cartoonist. Can Gary Larson kill him. Can

      • William morris

        Jus t want to sit and stare and give homeless people argument. Don’t need guns only need to take money from poor

  • redhousejet

    I live in sc and have felony dui’s in connecticut no one got killed or hurt in 2006. My voting rights have been restored. I’ve paid all my penalties to the state. I’m not sure if I read it right in the Brady bill. But if I am allowed to vote I should be able to purchase a weapon ? Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks for the feedback

  • agaba

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  • margie

    I bought some firearms and put them in my name,now my boyfriend took them and he is in jail now and i dont know what to do? I think he isnt suppose to even have any weapons?

  • tommy

    I live in indiana i have an old non violent my wife has none can buy and keepa gun in the house with me living here

    • Robert S. Bartosh

      IC 35-47-4-7
      Persons prohibited from possessing a firearm; restoration of right to possess a firearm
      Sec. 7. (a) Notwithstanding IC 35-47-2, IC 35-47-2.5, the restoration of the right to serve on a jury under IC 33-28-5-18, or the restoration of the right to vote under IC 3-7-13-5, and except as provided in subsections (b), (c), and (f), a person who has been convicted of a crime of domestic violence may not possess a firearm after the person’s release from imprisonment or lawful detention.
      (b) Not earlier than five (5) years after the date of conviction, a person who has been convicted of a crime of domestic violence may petition the court for restoration of the person’s right to possess a firearm. In determining whether to restore the person’s right to possess a firearm, the court shall consider the following factors:
      (1) Whether the person has been subject to:
      (A) a protective order;
      (B) a no contact order;
      (C) a workplace violence restraining order; or
      (D) any other court order that prohibits the person from possessing a firearm.
      (2) Whether the person has successfully completed a substance abuse program, if applicable.
      (3) Whether the person has successfully completed a parenting class, if applicable.
      (4) Whether the person still presents a threat to the victim of the crime.
      (5) Whether there is any other reason why the person should not possess a firearm, including whether the person failed to satisfy a specified condition under subsection (c) or whether the person has committed a subsequent offense.
      (c) The court may condition the restoration of a person’s right to possess a firearm upon the person’s satisfaction of specified conditions.
      (d) If the court denies a petition for restoration of the right to possess a firearm, the person may not file a second or subsequent petition until one (1) year has elapsed after the filing of the most recent petition.
      (e) A person has not been convicted of a crime of domestic violence for purposes of subsection (a) if the conviction has been expunged or if the person has been pardoned.

  • alex_

    ok my question is, can i own a rifle(purchased legally) and keep it in my home,while have a felony for child support in the state of michigan.

    • Robert S. Bartosh
    • Robert S. Bartosh
    • Robert S. Bartosh

      In the state of Michigan, it is unlawful for a person convicted of a felony to possess, carry or use a firearm unless their right to possess carry or use the firearm has been restored. If their firearm rights have not been restored they can be charged and convicted of another felony for which the maximum penalty is five years in prison. How does a felon restore their firearm rights? There are two ways and it depends upon the original felony that was committed.

      First, if the felony is one of the following then a restoration process must be held:

      – Any felony involving the unlawful possession, distribution, or manufacture of a controlled substance

      – Any felony involving the unlawful possession of a firearm

      – Any felony involving the unlawful use of an explosive

      – Burglary or breaking and entering of a occupied home

      – Any felony that involves harming or assaulting another person

      – Arson

      If you have been convicted of one or more of the above felonies and five years have expired after you have successfully completed all terms of parole or probation including all fines paid you can apply for a firearms restoration by doing the following:

      Apply to the concealed weapons licensing board in the county you live in. Metro Detroit County links are below. They will schedule a hearing.

      Oakland County Board, Wayne County Board, Macomb County Board

      At a county gun board hearing if you can clearly and convincingly prove that your record and reputation are such that it is not likely that you will act in a manner that is dangerous to the public in any way the gun board MUST restore your rights to possess, use, purchase and carry a firearm.

      If in the event they deny the application you are entitled to appeal the decision to the circuit court.

      Second, if the conviction is any other felony not specifically listed above then your firearm rights are automatically restored after the following conditions have been meet:

      – The expiration of three years

      – Successful completion of all conditions or probation or parole.

      A county gun board hearing is not required.

      Further, this procedure also applies to federal misdemeanor gun possession charges. Therefore, if a person has fully restored their gun possession rights it provides a defense to Federal Firearm Possession pursuant to Title 18 of the United States Code Section 921(a)(20). This defense applies if the restoration is automatic or through a gun board hearing.

      Please be advised that if your state gun rights have been restored that does not mean your federal rights have been restored. Each case must be evaluated individually to determine exclusions under federal law. Some offenses will be and others will not. The question becomes under what circumstances do federal law enforcement authorities enforce federal firearm statutes.

      At the time of first publishing this blog federal enforcement directives were clear. At this time each case must be evaluated individually before this office can advise on the restoration of state gun rights.

      If you, or a loved one, needs an attorney to assist with the restoration of firearm rights in the Metro Detroit counties of Oakland, Wayne or Macomb contact attorney Barton Morris at (248) 541-2600.

  • http://WWW.Dontbeadick.com/Please Michael Martin

    Guess I am a member. Has anything changed concerning congress passing laws ? 34 years ago, while I was 17 I got in trouble. No trouble since. I am a business owner, raised 2 children. I give back to the community. I want to go hunting. Is there nothing we can do in Pennsylvania?

    • Robert S. Bartosh

      Under Pennsylvania gun control laws, a person can “open carry” a gun, such as wearing it in a holster, without a license (except in Philadelphia). But in order to carry a concealed weapon in Pennsylvania, you must first obtain an LTCF (“License to Carry Firearms”) permit through the county office where you reside. You must be 21 in order to apply for an LTCF license.

      Felony convictions do not necessarily disqualify residents of the Keystone State from owning guns (while some misdemeanors do). You cannot purchase a firearm in Pennsylvania if you:

      Have been convicted of a violent crime (felony or misdemeanor);

      Are an undocumented immigrant;

      Are declared mentally ill by the court;

      Are under 18 years old;

      Are a drug addict or habitual drunkard;

      Are a fugitive from justice;

      Have been convicted of three separate DUI charges within a five-year period; or

      Are subject to an active protection from abuse order.

      The main provisions of Pennsylvania gun control laws are listed in the table below. See Gun Laws for a general overview on the topic.

      GUN LAWS
      http://injury.findlaw.com/product-liability/gun-laws.html

      • kcs7272

        Funny I live in PA. Cashed a $480 check over 21 years ago that wasn’t mine. I was homeless. Only thing I’ve ever done. I cannot buy a gun. Tried several times. I was told I need a pardon from the Governor

  • Fish

    The Gun Control Act of 1968!… totally illegal!!! What part of ‘SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, Don’t they Understand? There CANNOT BE a LAW made Against it!!! These are unconstitutional laws made by unconstitutional politicians that need to be hanged by their necks for perverting the constitution of these United States…

    • duvalboy2004

      The sheep follows everything the terrorists says.. idiots

    • Dan Ballard

      Find a Good Lawyer to fight for our right to bear arms EVEN if I am a FELON, And I’ll support and back the fight !!! I believe EVERYONE INCLUDING FELONS should be able to own a Firearm (s) for self defense !!. Trust me, Any “FELON” that wants a gun, Has a gun !! Words on paper doesn’t stop a “REAL” Criminal !!!. It’s just another way for the Government to CONTROL us !!!

  • Sierra

    What happens to a 15 year old male in Florida if he is caught with a handgun in his bag not loaded ?

  • Mike p

    Seems to me whether I have my rights or not. I am still entitled the right to bear arms under the constitution. But being as I have a criminal record anyway, I’ll keep my guns, protect my family and home, and if that means I have to go back to prison, so be it. My family will not have to pay for my past.

  • Sensible

    It’s a way for the government to take gun rights anyway possible plain and simple. Just ignore it and buy a gun through a friend or gun show or craiglist, whatever just don’t register it (none of anyones business anyway). I live in the country and my family would be dead before cops arrived if my home was broken into or threatned. Most felonies have NOTHING to do with guns anyway. Fuck that law…come and take my guns if you can. You point one at me first on my property you are no different than an intruder. I’m putting you down guaranteed. I can only retreat as far as my home. We will see who is still standing. I would rather be judged by 12 than buried by 6 anyday.

  • Robert S. Bartosh

    Petition for the Right to Bear Arms and Reformed Felons.
    http://www.petition2congress.com/17393/2nd-amendment-reformed-felons8207/

    Also, I have been convicted of a felony in Texas. Texas penal code 46.04 allows you to keep a weapon in your residence. But, you can not take it out of your residence. Federally you can not purchase a weapon.

    Each state has a PARDONS AND PAROLE OFFICE. You would want to fill out a full pardon application for clemency to the governor to give you a pardon to restore your rights of the state you reside in. And fill out a firearms rights application. I’m doing all the paperwork myself.

    For people in TEXAS you’ll want to go to the following links:

    Full Pardon

    Deferred Adjudication and No Other Arrests or Convictions – fill/print Word doc or print pdf
    http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/bpp/forms/DA%20Deferred%20Adj%20App.doc

    Full Pardon

    Deferred Adjudication and Other Arrests But No Conviction – fill/print Word doc or print pdf
    http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/bpp/forms/DA-Arrest%20Deferred%20Adj%20App.doc

    Full Pardon

    Checklist/Application – fill/print Word doc or print pdf
    http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/bpp/forms/FP%20App.doc

    Restoration of Firearm Rights

    Application – fill/print Word doc or print pdf
    http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/bpp/forms/RFA%20App.doc

    The 2A says other words of asking for permission. But, what do you know the politics strip you of your rights by infringing the 2nd Amendment.

    I hope this helps with some people that are having a hard time restoring their rights

    Thanks
    Robert Bartosh

    • Robert S. Bartosh

      Black power a felon can have

  • Smiley72

    I served Honorably in the United States Military after a felony conviction. The conviction was drug related, “marijuana” and over 20 years ago. Since then I have had a couple of speeding tickets, but have also served honorably post 911 and considered to be a veteran. Shouldn’t my rights be automatically restored? I think so.

  • Donna

    I have juvenile felony larceny on my record. Applied for a Cpl and didn’t know it was on my record. They sent me a letter stating they need more info. What do I need to bring to the gun board? I don’t remember going to court. What are they asking for?

  • Dhayita

    I am 56, and now disabled and just bought my own home it is not in the best area but fairly decent. I am alone now and need some sort of protection. My question is, I made some mistakes when I lived in California and went to prison it was for possession of controlled substance, no sells, and nothing violent not saying that having possession was not bad enough. I have been off parole for over 17 years and have not even been near any trouble since. I am now in Texas and would like to obtain a small hand gun just for protection only. I grew up with guns and hunting so am familiar with them so this would be nothing new for me and I know about gun safety. Is there any way I can purchase a gun now? I want to do so legally as I am not about to even think about any thing close to illegal again. honest advice would be greatly appreciated.

    • Roger

      A muzzle loader is still legal for you to own. It’s not considered a firearm by Federal law so the 1968 GCA does not apply – but check your state and local laws first. You’ll only have one shot but a 50 cal. ball will ruin anybody’s day.

  • robert tyack

    April/15/2014
    In 1994 I pleaded nolo to “making my daughters cheeks red”. In 20I4 was arrested and jailed for 2mths for possessing a stun gun (contact not shooting). I’ve done extensive research and found.
    Pa.S.C.18-908 forbids possession of electronic device if found guilty of Pa.S.C.18-6105(c) not to posses a firearm if found guilty of U.S.C.18-922(g)(9) Domestic violence U.S.C.921(a)(33)(A)(ii) violence force (defined as the slightest touch)!!! Can this law be used agents me after 20yrs? (misdemeanor not considered Domestic Violence until August/08/1996)
    tyackbob@gmail.com.
    Robert Tyack

  • Frank Abay

    Various Security & Law Enforcement Training Offerd various sites but no one provide information about the gun license and other class g and d licence information sos school offerd courses about law which is related with the security guard office

  • Michael Partlow

    I’m in Charlotte Nc…I was pulled over by the police…..they towed my car away put me in handcuffs in toOk me back to a house they see me leave 10 minutes ago the house is not in my name or nothing there with my name on there and they found a gun and said it was mine..?.??

  • Robert A. Sebille Sr.

    I was convicted on possession of drugs back in 1979. The only thing I ever been arrested for since teen.Is a domestic violence with I pleaded no contest [ no one was hurt ]
    .Can my record be ex-sponged?

  • Kris

    If I rented a room in my name and someone was in there and had a gun can I be charged with it to along with that person and they found out the gun was stolen

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  • james

    It’s really crazy i feel a person have completed they time abide citizen want a firearm to protect there self and family why not give chance .Because the ones going in schools and churches killing innocent people are non felonies

  • Greg Hooks

    The gun control act of 1968 is unconstitutional

  • kcs7272

    I was homeless over 21 years ago. I was 21. Cashed a $480 check that wasn’t mine. I know I was wrong. My first and only offense since then I’ve been a model citizen. Well I’m a felon. Can’t own a gun, have lost jobs over it. I think there needs to be a change. They tried like hell to give me ten years! I did four months in jail, waiting for a preliminary hearing! Paid restitution and did community service

  • Mrmr

    Was pulled over and had my gun loaded. I have my foid card and is and the process of getting concealed license would if look good if I go back to court with it?